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utkevdawg1 said:
The second one is stupid. The first one, does anyone have any more info? Like did he cancel the even because of a black runner or because of specific runner who happened to be black but was opposed for another reason?
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It was AD policy at the time (from cited paper):

The first involved a track meet. Neyland cancelled a scheduled meet during the spring of 1961, after the visiting team had arrived in Knoxville, because the opposing squad included blacks. By this time, Tennessee athletic policy was to compete against integrated teams away from home, but not to host such contests.
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What I don't get is "the canceled track meet is why he stepped down" thing. It was in Spring of '61 and he passed away March of '62. Source paper says he was still AD and the stadium was named after him shortly before passing. No mention of him leaving his post.

Btw source is a 1994 PhD paper by a UT student covering desegregration of athletics at UT that you can download. Interesting stuff here and there. Neyland material is page 63:
Seasons of Change: Football Desegregation and the University of Tennessee and the Transformation of the Southeastern Conference, 1963-67

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T Dog said:
Ha you remember when I said he was going to be #1. I mean I ain't rubbing it in it nothing 😁
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If you’re talking about Trey? If he had come out for this past draft, I don’t believe he would’ve been in the first four rounds. I think the NFL Draft Advisory Board gave him a grade along those lines and that’s why he came back. Those first two slots in this next draft are up for grabs for Lawrence and Fields...not necessarily in that order. Trey could very possibly be third...all speculation. In a redraft, Quentin Nelson would be the top overall pick of his draft.
 
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Weezer said:
Where is the line that we accept that some of these people we honor lived in a different time, with different beliefs? How we, as a society, think and feel now is completely different from the societies these people were born and raised in. At what point do we forgive the sins of the past and move toward a brighter future?
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Depends on if one believes in moral relativism or not. Or how much one is willing to let slide based on the severity. If one believes in moral objectivism, it occurring in the past would not make it any less immoral.
 
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Devo182 said:
Depends on if one believes in moral relativism or not. Or how much one is willing to let slide or forgive.
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With the exception of Jesus Christ(if you're a believer), there is not a person who has walked this earth that is perfect. Everyone has done something stupid, or something someone would find offensive. Everyone. So are we going to tear everyone apart to find that imperfection that I guarantee exists? Where is the line and who gets to decide? Honestly, we cannot change the past. It is what it is. I'm not sure what focusing on yesterday even accomplishes? It's already happened. Better to look to tomorrow, because we can make tomorrow better, but it's hard to do if people hang on to a painful past of resentment. The only way to make a better future is to put aside our differences and work together. That's how we create real change.
 
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Weezer said:
With the exception of Jesus Christ(if you're a believer), there is not a person who has walked this earth that is perfect. Everyone has done something stupid, or something someone would find offensive. Everyone. So are we going to tear everyone apart to find that imperfection that I guarantee exists? Where is the line and who gets to decide? Honestly, we cannot change the past. It is what it is. I'm not sure what focusing on yesterday even accomplishes? It's already happened. Better to look to tomorrow, because we can make tomorrow better, but it's hard to do if people hang on to a painful past of resentment. The only way to make a better future is to put aside our differences and work together. That's how we create real change.
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Not arguing said points, as has been done ad nauseum elsewhere, only pointing out society will view the past in varying ways, depending on if they are moral relativists or objectivists.

For example, if being a slaveowner was forgivable in the past vs the current day may depend on if you think morals are objective or relative to time, culture, etc.
 
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Boy is he gonna be in for a big surprise when he comes to Neyland stadium😅👀😂😭 no roof or 15 yard rubber mats here sunny.



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butchna said:
My granny married a farmer and went from a family doing pretty well (her father worked for the railroad) to borderline starving. Lot of thin water gravy mixed with some potato. Most of what was harvested was sold at a loss to stave off the bank seizing the farm. This was East Tennessee near Dayton.
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All four of my grandparents grew up on family farms that managed to make it through. One grandfather from one of the first white families to settle in the Sequatchie River valley (they bought the land from Cherokees, they didn't steal it), the other from the Sharps Chapel area that is now at the bottom of Norris lake (the New Deal was actually pretty good to them though, and they all resettled to the Maynardville-Lutrell area). One grandmother was from a big farming family in NW Georgia, and the other was from a big farming family between Sweetwater and Madisonville. They all told me the same thing...they pretty much lived through it like they always had...not much better or worse.
 
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SSVol said:
You're not wrong, but I would gently suggest that we have been prosperous and safe for so long that we've collectively forgotten what real hardship is. Very few are truly hungry in the US. The number dead to the virus is still small, historically speaking. The largest majority of the racial protests in the country now are due to cops being mean (wrongful death is a statistically small problem), as opposed to lining people up and shooting them or marching them into gas chambers. Point being, it can be and has been much, much worse.
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Context is just such a bitch though..

I will say this, if the lunacy doesn't stop, if the cancerous division festers and spreads..we will see really hard times like those again, or even worse due to the extreme population pressures now.

Our modern civilization is so much more brittle and fragile than it was in the first half of the 20th century....a country the size of the US descending into third world chaos is terrifying..and I do not want to see it.
 
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drvenner said:
I'm just saying expedited does not mean automatic failure. The process for developing a vaccine is well established. You don't want it? Fine. Your choice. The best way for us to get the herd immunity the quickest is to get this vaccine developed.
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I will get one as soon as it is available just so I can tell people to shut up and leave me alone.
 
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GojiraVol17 said:
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Not taking up for him or anything of that nature, but I’ll leave this little conversation piece here...and grenade drop into the thread 3..2..1 🔥🤯
Very interesting considering he still looked like trash at times.
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That's not a good stat though. That means he rarely led his receivers so they could get YAC
 
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