Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[Weezer]

Our football stadium is among those that has now been identified as possibly needing a new name.

Who Are We Honoring? Extending the Ebony & Ivy Discussion to Include Sport Facilities in: Journal of Sport Management - Ahead of print


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Read that and could not find specific accusations against General Neyland. I'd guess it's simply because he lived and coached in a time before desegregation. JMO, but I don't think that should be enough to demand a name change.

 

[engineerVOL]

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Maybe all we needed to break the hex was Catbone to cast aspersions at the metaphysical football season.

 

[T Dog]

A rushed to market vaccine scares the hell out of me, honestly. Has the potential to be much worse than the virus.

You getting the Bill Gates one? I ain't getting microchiped.

 

[T Dog]

With the public/governments begging for it, it's gonna be a race to the bottom for quality and safety assurance to see who gets it to market first. They'll probably get FDA approval to skip most of the testing process too. Gonna be a shitshow. And anyone who refuses it will be shamed. It will be the new social distancing/mask.

Self sufficient. Live like a hermit. It's the new In-Thang.

 

[T Dog]

I wouldn’t call an 10-16 month developed vaccine a rush to market. They’re testing multiple potential vaccines as we speak. I think it’s a risk worth taking anyway. You can’t allow something like this to own everything about daily life forever. The jelly backbone mentality isn’t helping. There’s a reason European countries are returning to somewhat normal already and we’re lagging behind horribly. We didn’t take strong enough action early, now we’re paying the price.

We took action(well some) then they opened it back up not listening to the medical professionals and instead listening to businessmen.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

A rushed to market vaccine scares the hell out of me, honestly. Has the potential to be much worse than the virus.

Well the two vaccines gaining traction are “non-active” vaccines. So they can’t really be worse than the virus considering you wouldn’t actually be getting the virus. The vaccine would just mimic it and cause you to form Antibodies.

 

[JT3]

Crouch, HT, Banks, Peterson will be the starting linebackers, imo

I really hope the light bulb comes on for JJ. If he could play up to his potential our defense would have only 1 weakness imo which would be consistent edge rusher and I'm not too overly concern bc CDA and CJP do a great job with our blitz packages to create sacks.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

I really hope the light bulb comes on for JJ. If he could play up to his potential our defense would have only 1 weakness imo which would be consistent edge rusher and I'm not too overly concern bc CDA and CJP do a great job with our blitz packages to create sacks.

One of the reasons I have so much hope that the light bulb comes on, is if you watch last year, depending on our formation/package he was usually the first linebacker off the bench.

 

[T Dog]

My husband went 6 months to a program in Oak Ridge in the early 80s. Always made more than me with 6 years of college. But I am not complaining. I loved school and learning.

You are doing a valuable service. Underappreciated.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

One of the reasons I have so much hope that the light bulb comes on, is if you watch last year, depending on our formation/package he was usually the first linebacker off the bench.

Only after Banks was gone

 

[utkevdawg1]

Read that and could not find specific accusations against General Neyland. I'd guess it's simply because he lived and coached in a time before desegregation. JMO, but I don't think that should be enough to demand a name change.

This is what was in the link:
"As was the case at Georgia Tech, former University of Tennessee football coach and administrator Robert Neyland faced a similar situation. In 1961, Neyland canceled a track meet because an opponent was going to let a Black student-athlete compete (Epling, 1994). His decision to cancel the event eventually led to him stepping down from his position in 1962. In addition, Neyland was also involved in an altercation with a Black student, Avon Rollins, in which he verbally abused the student for his inquiry into trying out for the basketball team at Tennessee (Epling, 1994). In recognition of his 36 years of service, Tennessee named their football stadium, Neyland Stadium, posthumously after Robert."

The second one is stupid. The first one, does anyone have any more info? Like did he cancel the even because of a black runner or because of specific runner who happened to be black but was opposed for another reason?

 

[T Dog]

that, and while i certainly appreciate the FDA's intent, and committment to keeping us muricans safe....let's not also pretend that there's not a lot of red tape and hoops to jump thru to check a box on their list.

i don't for one second believe that the folkd that are charged with the responsiblity of putting these drugs/vaccines together, are doing so w/any intent of harm to the public......

i'm in the camp that believes we'll have a workable treatment/vaccine before the end of the 1st qtr next year....too many people working on it.

the biggest role the government can play is finding a way that these companies that are working on it, are collaborating and working together-ish for the common good.....

(i don't have any expectation that's happening though lol)

Are they really gonna use the whole American as the Guinea pig for the world. Jesus Christ I hope people will use their God given common sense on this.

 

[Rishvol]

You getting the Bill Gates one? I ain't getting microchiped.

I thought all dogs should get chipped?

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Only after Banks was gone

Right, but I think they both use their experience and step into starting roles.

 

[Weezer]

This is what was in the link:
"As was the case at Georgia Tech, former University of Tennessee football coach and administrator Robert Neyland faced a similar situation. In 1961, Neyland canceled a track meet because an opponent was going to let a Black student-athlete compete (Epling, 1994). His decision to cancel the event eventually led to him stepping down from his position in 1962. In addition, Neyland was also involved in an altercation with a Black student, Avon Rollins, in which he verbally abused the student for his inquiry into trying out for the basketball team at Tennessee (Epling, 1994). In recognition of his 36 years of service, Tennessee named their football stadium, Neyland Stadium, posthumously after Robert."

The second one is stupid. The first one, does anyone have any more info? Like did he cancel the even because of a black runner or because of specific runner who happened to be black but was opposed for another reason?

Did not see that. I kept scanning for his name and must have missed it. Are those two incidents enough to erase the rest of his legacy? I don't say this to defend racism because I believe racism is wrong, but should we factor in he lived in a different time? Hell, Abraham Lincoln was a racist, yet we still honor him. Where is the line that we accept that some of these people we honor lived in a different time, with different beliefs? How we, as a society, think and feel now is completely different from the societies these people were born and raised in. At what point do we forgive the sins of the past and move toward a brighter future?

 

[T Dog]

I'm guessing that we'll be part of the trials for whatever one the military feels is furthest along. I know I'm putting a lot of faith in the government, but living in auster environments makes you want to believe.

Good luck to you for all that you do.
Angles, look at them In All scenarios, all the time, for everything. May it serve you well on your endeavors my brother.

 

[T Dog]

It sure did mine! I can remember my mom complaining because he would turn the porch light off before you could get to the car. He saved every half of a cent he could.

Frugal, that's me to a T!

 

[jakez4ut]

Are they really gonna use the whole American as the Guinea pig for the world. Jesus Christ I hope people will use their God given common sense on this.

Well.. I'm not saying they should treat it like throwing darts on dart board...

 

[UTProf]

So you are saying it has metamorphosed. I been knowing it would. I like to read alot tho. Eyes be getting all squinchy.

Well I did say that's just my rear end's theory so tifwiw. It likes to do a lot of talking atimes about stuff I think but can't exactly prove or backup very well beyond it making sense to me.

 

[ChattaTNVol]

Did not see that. I kept scanning for his name and must have missed it. Are those two incidents enough to erase the rest of his legacy? I don't say this to defend racism because I believe racism is wrong, but should we factor in he lived in a different time? Hell, Abraham Lincoln was a racist, yet we still honor him. Where is the line that we accept that some of these people we honor lived in a different time, with different beliefs? How we, as a society, think and feel now is completely different from the societies these people were born and raised in. At what point do we forgive the sins of the past and move toward a brighter future?

The source document for the criticism of the General was a Doctoral Dissertation (Philosophy) written by a University of Tennessee graduate student in 1994.

This is the Abstract:

The University of Tennessee football program excluded African-Americans from 1891 to 1967. During most of that span, Volunteer athletic teams competed in the Southeastern Conference (SEC), the last major intercollegiate athletic league to desegregate. Between 1963 and 1967, changes in the university athletic department, in the conference, and in society at large prompted Tennessee and several other SEC members to integrate athletics. The process of racial desegregation ranks as perhaps the least chronicled significant event in University of Tennessee football history.

In addressing that void, this dissertation examines the desegregation of the University of Tennessee football program within the context of the 1963 to 1967 time period. The lack of previous scholarly attention made imperative the use of oral history interviews, and several participants central to the desegregation process contributed. A thorough search and analysis of pertinent archival materials and contemporary newspaper accounts of the period provided additional perspective, as did a review of the existing literature on African-American sports history and athletic integration.

Albert Davis of Alcoa, Tennessee, accepted a football scholarship offer from the University of Tennessee on April 14, 1967. His signing officially ended more than seventy years of racial exclusion in Volunteer athletics. When an entrance score controversy kept Davis from attending the university, actual desegregation on the playing field fell to Lester McClain of Nashville. By earning a varsity football letter in 1968, McClain became the first African-American to do so in the Southeastern Conference. Football desegregation proceeded fairly smoothly at Tennessee, although resentments expressed by McClain near the end of his college years created a stir.

The University of Tennessee did not lead the Southeastern Conference into football desegregation, but the Tennessee case proved vital to a transformation in the conference. Member institutions of the SEC gradually accepted athletic racial integration during the late 1960s and early 1970s, in large part because of events at the University of Tennessee, and that acceptance transformed the Southeastern Conference into a more nationally recognized and respected athletic league.

Seasons of Change: Football Desegregation and the University of Tennessee and the Transformation of the Southeastern Conference, 1963-67

 

[T Dog]

You're very kind to say so.

And all that started only a few months after losing everything in the fire. My life since January of last year has been crazier and sappier than a country and western song (David Allen Coe would reject it for being too over the top/unbelievable) but I try and take things in small steps and as they come. I used to think in large spans of time but now I think in terms of what will tomorrow be like? A week has become 'a long time' for me. And I've learned that if a day is a 'good day' I need to make the most of it because time has become very finite. I don't sweat the small stuff like I used to but I do worry more now than I ever have in my life about big things. I still think that with some luck and maybe a divine assist we can make it back to palliative care, eventually a transplant, and live happily ever after even though I know the chances are smaller than I'm comfortable accepting. I think it keeps us both fighting for me to say 'come hell or high water I'm not giving up.' And I think when you're faced with it, it's kinda the only way you can be and not go completely bonkers.

I think you're probably much tougher than you think are but I hope that you never find out for sure how tough but I don't think any of us are as self-sufficient as they were. There have just been too many changes that have made it so that we don't have to be but if a zombie apocalypse happened, I think people would eventually figure it out. We'd have to reinvent the wheel in many ways because we've forgotten a lot of knowledge they'd take for granted as everyone knowing because they were raised with it but after many embarrassing failures and self-inflicted injuries humans would figure it out. I'm sure they'd get a good laugh at some of the things we'd try during that learning process.

As I has done got sleepy, I must end it here tonight, but through a tossy turny nite I will regain my fortitude and be henceforth ready to rumble early in the A.M.'s. God challenges us one regular so dont fret my brother. Greener pasternak await us, in this life or the next. Not for us to decide. I pray for you and yours. Is all I can do besides try and give you a giggle here and there.

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[Rishvol]

The source document for the criticism of the General was a Doctoral Dissertation (Philosophy) written by a University of Tennessee graduate student in 1994.

This is the Abstract:



Seasons of Change: Football Desegregation and the University of Tennessee and the Transformation of the Southeastern Conference, 1963-67

So the student is saying that since UT athletics didn't desegregate until Neyland was no longer apart of the program suggests that he was racist?

 

[jordan4vols]

Have a friend in icu on a vent with Covid. Great man, father, and grandfather and huge vol fan. Next 48 hours are crucial. Wife had it and didn’t need hospitalization. Don’t understand why it hits some people harder. Prayers for him appreciated.

 

[The Dog]

de1, is Banks a better RB or LB, in your opinion ?

 

[SweetasSoda]

Did not see that. I kept scanning for his name and must have missed it. Are those two incidents enough to erase the rest of his legacy? I don't say this to defend racism because I believe racism is wrong, but should we factor in he lived in a different time? Hell, Abraham Lincoln was a racist, yet we still honor him. Where is the line that we accept that some of these people we honor lived in a different time, with different beliefs? How we, as a society, think and feel now is completely different from the societies these people were born and raised in. At what point do we forgive the sins of the past and move toward a brighter future?

That's what I keep asking. This whole cancel culture is too much like the novel's 1984 and Brave New World.