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GojiraVol17 said:
I wouldn’t call an 10-16 month developed vaccine a rush to market. They’re testing multiple potential vaccines as we speak. I think it’s a risk worth taking anyway. You can’t allow something like this to own everything about daily life forever. The jelly backbone mentality isn’t helping. There’s a reason European countries are returning to somewhat normal already and we’re lagging behind horribly. We didn’t take strong enough action early, now we’re paying the price.
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Step 3: Clinical Research

It's an EXTREME rush to market for a new drug. Properly conducted clinical trials take years to complete.

Many drugs fail/are canceled during the testing process, or are sent back to the drawing board. There will be a huge amount of pressure to move these vaccines forward with lax testing requirements due to the demand. Plus, Big Pharma is corrupt as hell anyway. They will just hide any complications and side effects...that is, the ones that they have enough time to observe and document.
 
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UTProf said:
Definitely and tbh, I think a lot of folks are doubting if it ever ends now or for my family personally, the question is whether or not it ends in time. It seems like Covid is going on forever. We're in hospice and it's essentially trapped us inside the house with no end in sight. Hell one of the reasons we're in hospice instead of palliative care atm is because we couldn't get treatment anyway without the risk outweighing the benefit. Will this ish die down so we can get back to seeing the docs because when it hit we never had the chance to get answers or the followups needed post-cancer surgery and I don't want to transition back to palliative until that's more of a go because although we need answers I don't want to take services away until we can for sure get them. I also desperately want us to experience life, maybe even a mini-vacation while it's still possible but I don't know if that's going to be possible.

I have no doubt that America and the world will get through this. We're a tough bunch and if we didn't kill ourselves with 2 world wars and the development of nukes, we'll make it through this just fine but that's at the broader level. On the individual level, while most will be fine it gets more tragic - some of us won't make it whether it's medically, financially, etc. and some of us hit by it may live through it but never quite recover. So I kinda see it as there's an optimism in knowing that if our grandparents can get through it we can too and that gives me hope for the country and world but that's also more of a comfort on a societal level for me (I know America will survive and I'm glad for that). I also know that there's still those that won't and I probably feel that a lot more keenly than a lot of people because I know it's a death sentence - no ifs ands or buts - if someone brings it into my house. We're trying to make it to Halloween again and caring for someone who statistically doesn't have long to live without a transplant during a pandemic which makes transplants far less likely for multiple reasons makes it difficult to have optimism on a personal level. (I hope that makes sense).
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I'm so sorry that you're going through all of that. Just this crazy virus and the things going on is enough. I will admit though that I have my doubts if I am as tough as my grandparents. Definitely not as self sufficient.
 
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Aesius said:
Step 3: Clinical Research

It's an EXTREME rush to market for a new drug.

Many drugs fail/are canceled during the testing process, or are sent back to the drawing board. There will be a huge amount of pressure to move these vaccines forward with lax testing requirements due to the demand. Plus, Big Pharma is corrupt as hell anyway. They will just hide any complications and side effects...that is, the ones that they have enough time to observe and document.
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So we sit on our hands and don’t fight it? Is that the answer? Wrong. Sorry I just have to agree to disagree with you, bud. Go Vols, regardless
 
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Aesius said:
A rushed to market vaccine scares the hell out of me, honestly. Has the potential to be much worse than the virus.
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A vaccine is FAR more likely to be ineffective than to be dangerous. The whole point of the trial process is to determine safety. Also vaccines aren't like normal drugs, they generally don't operate in such a way as to cause unexpected side-effects. They just cause an immune response.
 
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GojiraVol17 said:
I wouldn’t call an 10-16 month developed vaccine a rush to market. They’re testing multiple potential vaccines as we speak. I think it’s a risk worth taking anyway. You can’t allow something like this to own everything about daily life forever. The jelly backbone mentality isn’t helping. There’s a reason European countries are returning to somewhat normal already and we’re lagging behind horribly. We didn’t take strong enough action early, now we’re paying the price.
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Most vaccines take years to develop. So yeah 10-16 months is pretty rushed
 
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2xVol said:
A vaccine is FAR more likely to be ineffective than to be dangerous. The whole point of the trial process is to determine safety. Also vaccines aren't like normal drugs, they generally don't operate in such a way as to cause unexpected side-effects. They just cause an immune response.
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There also isn't much of a precedent for vaccines that were rushed to market. Mumps vaccine took 4 years and that was considered very fast.

It’s Rare A Vaccine Is Developed In Five Years. Can The World Really Pull It Off In One?

Plus, if they release one and it's botched or causes bad side effects/is ineffective, inoculation rate for potentially more effective follow-ups would be really low. They have to nail this thing on the first try, and rushing isn't the answer.
 
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Aesius said:
With the public/governments begging for it, it's gonna be a race to the bottom for quality and safety assurance to see who gets it to market first. They'll probably get FDA approval to skip most of the testing process too. Gonna be a shitshow. And anyone who refuses it will be shamed. It will be the new social distancing/mask.
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They haven't won with the mask they're not going to win with the vaccine. Besides a job which I need to pay bills nobody is going to shame me into doing anything
 
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2xVol said:
A vaccine is FAR more likely to be ineffective than to be dangerous. The whole point of the trial process is to determine safety. Also vaccines aren't like normal drugs, they generally don't operate in such a way as to cause unexpected side-effects. They just cause an immune response.
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that, and while i certainly appreciate the FDA's intent, and committment to keeping us muricans safe....let's not also pretend that there's not a lot of red tape and hoops to jump thru to check a box on their list.

i don't for one second believe that the folkd that are charged with the responsiblity of putting these drugs/vaccines together, are doing so w/any intent of harm to the public......

i'm in the camp that believes we'll have a workable treatment/vaccine before the end of the 1st qtr next year....too many people working on it.

the biggest role the government can play is finding a way that these companies that are working on it, are collaborating and working together-ish for the common good.....

(i don't have any expectation that's happening though lol)
 
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Aesius said:
There also isn't much of a precedent for vaccines that were rushed to market. Mumps vaccine took 4 years and that was considered very fast.

It’s Rare A Vaccine Is Developed In Five Years. Can The World Really Pull It Off In One?

Plus, if they release one and it's botched or causes bad side effects/is ineffective, inoculation rate for potentially more effective follow-ups would be really low. They have to nail this thing on the first try, and rushing isn't the answer.
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Fear porn is going to cause so much more damage that the actual virus. Botched vaccine included
 
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so you all think the government really needs to approve the vaccine for it to be viable? the same government that you all think is loony for doing the stuff they've done for hte past 4-6 months? but that same group of people is qualified to approve vaccines, and you won't take it w/out their seal of approval?

irony.....
 
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MockingVol said:
I’m leaning more towards a spring season. A vaccine will exist by then and the existence of any kind of “medicine” greatly changes the outlook for an illness. I don’t believe Covid ever just goes away, but I do believe it will just become another Flu basically.
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I think we have a fantastic football year of spring and fall ball in 2021, after the vaccine.
 
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jakez4ut said:
so you all think the government really needs to approve the vaccine for it to be viable? the same government that you all think is loony for doing the stuff they've done for hte past 4-6 months? but that same group of people is qualified to approve vaccines, and you won't take it w/out their seal of approval?

irony.....
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And you trust for-profit pharmaceutical companies to push their drugs on billions of people without any oversight?

The FDA isn't perfect by any means but clinical trials are in place for a reason. Most drugs don't make it through them. If they didn't exist we'd have 100 Vioxx cases every year.
 
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VolArtillery said:
Thank you! I'm headed out next spring so most of us have already signed the waivers to receive the "vaccine" as soon as militarily available.
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Did they give you any ideas of what it may entail? I understand if you can’t divulge too much
 
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jakez4ut said:
so you all think the government really needs to approve the vaccine for it to be viable? the same government that you all think is loony for doing the stuff they've done for hte past 4-6 months? but that same group of people is qualified to approve vaccines, and you won't take it w/out their seal of approval?

irony.....
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I dont think the government needs to approve anything. I know vaccines are made by humans, humans make mistakes. When humans are rushed they tend to make more mistakes. Therefore it is logical that there will be many mistakes and errors with the first version of this vaccine.
 
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