JG’s Growth at QB

[PulaskiVolFan]

I'll do you one better, in 2017 Wisconsin went 13-1 with Alex Hornibrook throwing 15 interceptions while only throwing 25 TDs.

The impact that interceptions have is utterly situational, if the other team doesn't capitalize and score on the interception, it's impact is literally zero. There is no direct correlation on 15+ interceptions = losing season.

That's 1, so definitely less than 5%. Surely Wisconsin who just so happened to have a 2000 yard rusher that year isn't the only 1 out there. Must be 100s more.

 

[k-town_king]

So you want to back off of your statement that 15 interceptions is an automatic losing season, or do you want to continue moving the goal posts?

I never said automatic. I said you are LIKELY to be mediocre to bad if you throw 15 ints. That is correct.

Out of about 15 in the last three years one competed for a conference title with 15 ints. four times as many went 4-8 or worse.

The one who did compete literally had a record breaking multiple time Heisman candidate. The only rusher with 6000 yards in three years.

So short of a generational running back you will probably be 8-5 at best with that many ints.

I can name way more teams with a qb throwing low ints and decent tds with good seasons in the last three years.

 

[BeardedVol]

That's 1, so definitely less than 5%. Surely Wisconsin who just so happened to have a 2000 yard rusher that year isn't the only 1 out there. Must be 100s more.

So now you want to move the goal posts for @k-town_king?

If your qb throws 15 ints in 12 games then you will have a losing season. You better throw 50 tds if you throw that many.

Where is rushing mentioned at all in his post?

 

[BeardedVol]

I never said automatic. I said you are LIKELY to be mediocre to bad if you throw 15 ints. That is correct.

Out of about 15 in the last three years one competed for a conference title with 15 ints. four times as many went 4-8 or worse.

The one who did compete literally had a record breaking multiple time Heisman candidate. The only rusher with 6000 yards in three years.

So short of a generational running back you will probably be 8-5 at best with that many ints.

I can name way more teams with a qb throwing low ints and decent tds with good seasons in the last three years.

You are intentionally leaving out TDs again How many TDs were thrown by the teams you are citing? Because the bar was and I quote:

20-5 will win more games than 35-15.

You can't tout the stats of those teams with 15 interceptions without calling out how many TDs they had, was it 35?

You are now resigned to being wholly disingenuous in your argument, and trying to defend the indefensible because your your original statement had no basis in reality.

 

[k-town_king]

So now you want to move the goal posts for @k-town_king?



Where is rushing mentioned at all in his post?

Oh ok I forgot you guys with reading problems don't know what hyperbole is. So let me clarify.

It is much more likely that you will be bad if your qb has 15 ints.

I have proven it with hard data.

 

[BeardedVol]

Oh ok I forgot you guys with reading problems don't know what hyperbole is. So let me clarify.

It is much more likely that you will be bad if your qb has 15 ints.

I have proven it with hard data.

You've proven little else other than that you are disingenuous with your arguments, by completely ignoring the number of TDs while posting W/L stats for teams with 15 interceptions.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

I don't think you'll get any argument here, his play was mediocre last season. Some think he's capable of playing better and some think he's already played his best ball and is not capable of improving. I think he'll show improvement simply because I think he's getting quality coaching and I think the overall talent around him both offensively and defensively plus STs is vastly improved. We are a much bigger, faster and stronger team than 2 seasons ago. Veteran teams led by veteran QBs tend to be good football teams, something I believe we'll be this year with JG.

I knew you would show up sooner than later. We will have to wait and see. The wait may be a longer than most will like.

 

[USAFgolferVol]

I knew you would show up sooner than later. We will have to wait and see. The wait may be a longer than most will like.

AS I've posted before, JG's weaknesses are things that are hard to improve. He doesn't throw receivers open, rarely throws late and has shown he doesn't have the anticipation gene required to be a great QB

 

[Vol423]

AS I've posted before, JG's weaknesses are things that are hard to improve. He doesn't throw receivers open, rarely throws late and has shown he doesn't have the anticipation gene required to be a great QB

JG sucks, and he's going to cost us games (again) unless the season never happens due to Covid.

 

[USAFgolferVol]

This in an interesting post, PulaskiVolFan. You forgot to switch back to the correct alias.

I'm not PulaskiVolFan. Sorry

 

[Vol423]

I'm not PulaskiVolFan. Sorry

Yeah. I misread your post at first. It was obvious that you weren't Pulaski because you weren't defending JG.

 

[1vol8]

That's 1, so definitely less than 5%. Surely Wisconsin who just so happened to have a 2000 yard rusher that year isn't the only 1 out there. Must be 100s more.

Or it could mean that Wisconsin had a solid defense. Guess who else has a solid defense...........WE DO!

 

[Rickyvol77]

So you want to back off of your statement that 15 interceptions is an automatic losing season, or do you want to continue moving the goal posts?

I see he does this in every emotional debate and topic lol

 

[PandamoniumReigns]

So now you want to move the goal posts for @k-town_king?



Where is rushing mentioned at all in his post?

I'm fairly certain Pulaski and K-Town are intertwined somehow. Either related or dating or friends or something.

They follow each other around on the boards trolling and liking each other's posts almost religiously.

They will defend each other's asinine arguments regardless of how foolish they make themselves look. They also both use cherry picked stats.

 

[BreatheUT]

Agree. Solid post. Unfortunately, we don't have a clear cut option.....right now anyways....for someone else to start and be confident in their ability to lead the team to where we all want it to go.

Hopefully HB can be that guy.

But it appears JG will be the guy for the first snap of TNs season

If JG starts at OU it is more than likely a loss if history tells us anything.

 

[1vol8]

I'm fairly certain Pulaski and K-Town are intertwined somehow. Either related or dating or friends or something.

They follow each other around on the boards trolling and liking each other's posts almost religiously.

They will defend each other's asinine arguments regardless of how foolish they make themselves look. They also both use cherry picked stats.

I thought I was the only one that noticed the same things. I can’t have a disagreement with one without the other jumping in and I’ve noticed I’m not the only one either. I gotta admit though, it does make the board more interesting simply because you leave their last comments thinking “there’s no way they could further hurt their own credibility after that one”. And next thing you know...... they start typing again.

 

[PandamoniumReigns]

I thought I was the only one that noticed the same things. I can’t have a disagreement with one without the other jumping in and I’ve noticed I’m not the only one either. I gotta admit though, it does make the board more interesting simply because you leave their last comments thinking “there’s no way they could further hurt their own credibility after that one”. And next thing you know...... they start typing again.

It can be comical how they will spin stats or adjust arguments to fit their absurdity. I've said it before...it's oddly weird the obsession they have over a college kid.

"If you only count completed passes that resulted in first downs or TDs, then JG was a perfect QB. You are just a JG hater. I WIN AGAIN!"

 

[GetEmVols]

I know folks like bashing JG on here but if it wasnt for him we wouldnt have won most of those games. With the upcoming season upon us, do y'all see him making a jump his senior season. Im praying he finally puts it all together like Dobbs and Crompton did their senior seasons. Also hearing JG gained 30 pounds this offseason. I just hope JG’s work ethic translates into wins.

Watch the last game JG vs Indiana if you need a reminder of how awful he is.

 

[1vol8]

It can be comical how they will spin stats or adjust arguments to fit their absurdity. I've said it before...it's oddly weird the obsession they have over a college kid.

"If you only count completed passes that resulted in first downs or TDs, then JG was a perfect QB. You are just a JG hater. I WIN AGAIN!"

That’s pretty accurate. Thing is I have no issues with JG. I think he’s underperformed but he’s got the tools. And yet they still attack me, which is fine. The problem I have is how they attack Maurer as if he was given the same amount of time and opportunity. Lord forbid I or anyone else defend Maurer when they call him out by name on bogus claims. Fact is, to me, the fact that he had any success at all vs those teams and all things considered was promising.

 

[PandamoniumReigns]

That’s pretty accurate. Thing is I have no issues with JG. I think he’s underperformed but he’s got the tools. And yet they still attack me, which is fine. The problem I have is how they attack Maurer as if he was given the same amount of time and opportunity. Lord forbid I or anyone else defend Maurer when they call him out by name on bogus claims. Fact is, to me, the fact that he had any success at all vs those teams and all things considered was promising.

Same here. I like JG, but think so far he has wildly underperformed and has been inconsistent, at best. It's comically ironic how quick they are to defend JG against "haters" and "JG Bashing" but they do the same to Maurer that they are falsely accusing others of doing to JG

Maurer had some Moxy to him. Made some terrible passes but he was playing to try and win instead of being timid and playing too scared of making a mistake.

 

[1vol8]

Same here. I like JG, but think so far he has wildly underperformed and has been inconsistent, at best. It's comically ironic how quick they are to defend JG against "haters" and "JG Bashing" but they do the same to Maurer that they are falsely accusing others of doing to JG

Maurer had some Moxy to him. Made some terrible passes but he was playing to try and win instead of being timid and playing too scared of making a mistake.

I’m not taking anything from JG, HB or any other QBs for that matter when saying this but I have a hard time believing that any of them would’ve done what Maurer did in his first start and beyond on only 2 weeks of prep time. How quickly some forget the FEAR we had for him and us going in to the UGA game and how quickly that fear turned to hope from that point forward.

 

[cgrish]

Watch the last game JG vs Indiana if you need a reminder of how awful he is.

And even the game before that Vanderbilt, terrible game. If we have the same JG maybe 7 or 8 wins.

 

[molsen81]

So..........we're still trying to encourage this guy.

 

[BlackCreekVol]

Took a peek at his bio. Not as terrible as I remembered

CAREER
Veteran quarterback, leader and tough competitor who enters his fifth and final season on Rocky Top … Played in 34 games with 25 starts … Thrown for 5,062 yards and 32 touchdowns with just 13 interceptions on 391-of-642 pass attempts (61.0 percentage) ... His 2.02 interception percentage is the lowest in UT history (min. 400 attempts) … Owns three career 300-yard games, 11 career multi-touchdown pass games and joins Peyton Manning and Tyler Bray as the only Vols to throw for 400 yards in a game … Ranks seventh in Tennessee history in passing yards (5,062), tied for eighth in passing touchdowns (32), eighth in completions (391) and ninth in total offense (4,983) … Accounted for 33 career scores – 32 passing and one rushing … Will wear the SEC graduate patch in 2020 after earning degree in 2019 and working toward his master’s degree.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

Took a peek at his bio. Not as terrible as I remembered

CAREER
Veteran quarterback, leader and tough competitor who enters his fifth and final season on Rocky Top … Played in 34 games with 25 starts … Thrown for 5,062 yards and 32 touchdowns with just 13 interceptions on 391-of-642 pass attempts (61.0 percentage) ... His 2.02 interception percentage is the lowest in UT history (min. 400 attempts) … Owns three career 300-yard games, 11 career multi-touchdown pass games and joins Peyton Manning and Tyler Bray as the only Vols to throw for 400 yards in a game … Ranks seventh in Tennessee history in passing yards (5,062), tied for eighth in passing touchdowns (32), eighth in completions (391) and ninth in total offense (4,983) … Accounted for 33 career scores – 32 passing and one rushing … Will wear the SEC graduate patch in 2020 after earning degree in 2019 and working toward his master’s degree.

Not bad considering his 1st 2 seasons playing were under terrible OCs and behind a bad OL not to mention playing alongside the worst overall roster in Tn history. Stats and achievements don't matter to the neverJG crowd though.