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From reading the article I get the feeling everyone just assumed there would be a season and nobody has seriously put together any alternate scenario. Which means we're in an "oh ****!" situation without any real roadmap or plan and there probably isn't going to be a season.
 
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MontyPython said:
Where do you come up with all your BS?

(1) Your suggestion that we'll never have a cure/vaccine flies is not supported by any mainstream science organizations that I'm aware of. If you have a link to some quack, go ahead and post it;

(2) Your claim that the percentage of people testing positive isn't increasing is wrong regarding the states where CV19 is out of control (FL, TX, AZ, CA, etc.);

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(3) Thus your claim that infection rate has skyrocketed largely due to an increase in testing is similarly wrong; and

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(4) It's not (Jalen) "Hurd" immunity, it's Herd immunity, as in a bunch of cows in a field.

Look, man, I don't mean to beat up your post to be a jerk about it. Just do everyone a favor and stop spreading unsupported garbage to rile up folks. Let the scientists do their job (find a cure), politicians do their's (lie), and we do ours (wait).
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1. Don't know what you mean by mainstream, but here's an article from The Atlantic that was co-written by a "professor of chemistry and pharmacology at Yale University." Maybe your credentials are more impressive, in which case he may just be another "quack" to you. I've read a lot about RNA-viruses like COVID-19, although I don't claim to understand everything about them. What I have learned is that HIV, the seasonal flu, Ebola, Hepatitis C, SARS, and the common cold are all RNA viruses and none has a vaccine, even though work has gone on for decades to develop them. A lot of people get a flu shot every year and some of them might think it's a vaccine, but it's not. While it decreases your chances of contracting the flu (and might mitigate your symptoms), people who have had the shot come down with the flu all the time. COVID-19 is the same type of virus and that's why I said we should not expect a vaccine. I know politicians are talking about it, but I don't trust politicians.

2. My numbers are accurate using Oregon as my example. Here is the link to the official Oregon Health Authority website that I referenced. It includes the latest update on testing that shows 250,637 have been tested and 241,760 have been negative. Note that if you check this link later today it may have been updated again and these numbers may be different. But it will still add up to about 3.5% positives for those who have been tested. I realize that other states are worse, but most states are more similar to Oregon than to the states you listed.

3. I don't know where your charts came from, but again I was only referring specifically to Oregon and I have seen evidence that many other states are similar. There is no question that testing has increased, so it just stands to reason that at least some of the increase can be attributed to that.

4. Thank you for the spelling correction. I never want to miss a chance to improve my spelling. Spellcheck tried to save me, but I just blew right through it.

BTW, I'm glad to know that you weren't trying to be a jerk. Thanks for clarifying that.
 
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MontyPython said:
College ball ain't happening this Fall. Our students have to go to classes. It's basically impossible logistically to make it work. Plus, the 2nd wave will hit Oct/Nov and put the kibash on things again.

The prudent thing to do is postpone things until the Spring. Hopefully, we'll have treatments, and/or a vaccine/cure by then. Or, hey, maybe it just simply disappears.

If we're lucky, NFL should be a go this Fall. No fans though. Given where we are now, I'll take it.
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Bring all the students back to campus as normal and house the all the athletes someplace else on campus and do all virtual classes there for they don’t come in contact with normal students daily and could control environment a little more!!
 
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VolsFan-TX said:
What is your definition of “out of control” in Texas?

To date, we have 195,239 cases out of 2,371,709 people tested (8.2% positive cases) in TX. There have been 2,637 deaths from the positive cases (1.35% of cases or 0.0091% of the state population).

In Tennessee, there have been 51,431 cases out of 895,796 tested (or 5.7%). There have been 646 deaths from the positive cases (1.25% of cases or 0.0095% of the state population).

New Cases
There were 3,449 new TX cases and 1,291 new TN cases on July 5. If TN had the same population of TX, the new case number would have been 5,506 in TN.

Hospitalizations
Currently, there are 8,181 COVID patients in TX hospitals and 2,871 COVID patients in TN hospitals. If TN had the same population as TX, the hospitalization number would have been 12,244 in TN.
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Texas Cities Concerned Coronavirus Cases Could Overwhelm Hospitals within Two Weeks

In Houston, coronavirus hospitalizations have risen 44 percent over the past week, and mayor Sylvester Turner said the area’s hospital system could be in “serious trouble” in two weeks if the spread of the virus is not controlled.

“The number of people who are getting sick and going to the hospitals has exponentially increased. The number of people in our ICU beds has exponentially increased,” Turner said. “In fact, if we don’t get our hands around this virus quickly, in about two weeks our hospital system could be in serious, serious trouble.”

Austin mayor Steve Adler said the situation is potentially more dire in his city, warning that hospital intensive-care units could be at capacity between the next ten days to two weeks if the current rate of hospitalized patients continues.

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MontyPython said:
All a matter of perspective. If you're older, it's deadly.

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That's the point. And many young people themselves may not worry about their safety of they get it...but they may worry about giving it to an elderly/at risk family member or any elderly person. It's about not being a selfish prick.
 
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Hacksaw said:
We're never going to have a cure or a vaccine due to the nature of the illness. We've already identified some effective treatments. Fewer people are dying and the infection rate has "skyrocketed" largely due to an increase in testing. Here in Oregon, for instance, I have personally monitored the state's official website almost daily for the past several months. The number of confirmed cases has doubled over the past several weeks, but so has the number of people being tested. The percentage of negative test results has remained constant at about 96.5%. That means only about 3.5% of those who are judged to be in need of testing are actually testing positive.

We were always expecting there to be more cases. The quarantine was meant to ensure that we didn't overwhelm our resources at a time when we did not know how bad it might be and we needed time to prepare to deal with it. Now we have more cases and a declining death rate, which is exactly what we need. Hurd immunity is the way out. Those at greatest risk should continue to quarantine, of course. But the rest of us need to get on with our lives, while continuing to take reasonable precautions.
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*** for what it is worth, the World Health Organization has stated if the rate of Covid19 postives remains below 5% we should open up or keep the economy open for business in those states.

Which U.S. States Meet Recommended Positivity Levels?
 
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04D624A1-3506-4821-A3DA-DC6DFE52D6F0.pngWhy is this country so stupid? Between October and April, there was an estimated 39-56 million cases of the flu in America alone. We are yet to be at 3 million in nearly the same time frame for COVID. But it’s so widespread that we are going to cancel football? According to the facts, the flu cases are 13 times more than COVID. Stop paying attention to the media, it’s not that bad. It’s just a stupid little virus.
 
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sport3500 said:
I think the 2020 college football season commences because athletic departments will lose too much money if it doesn't and they will have to make some cuts.
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They can't force players and staff to play. That is where a decent amount of the consternation lies it sounds like. They aren't pros.
 
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Hacksaw said:
1. Don't know what you mean by mainstream, but here's an article from The Atlantic that was co-written by a "professor of chemistry and pharmacology at Yale University." Maybe your credentials are more impressive, in which case he may just be another "quack" to you. I've read a lot about RNA-viruses like COVID-19, although I don't claim to understand everything about them. What I have learned is that HIV, the seasonal flu, Ebola, Hepatitis C, SARS, and the common cold are all RNA viruses and none has a vaccine, even though work has gone on for decades to develop them. A lot of people get a flu shot every year and some of them might think it's a vaccine, but it's not. While it decreases your chances of contracting the flu (and might mitigate your symptoms), people who have had the shot come down with the flu all the time. COVID-19 is the same type of virus and that's why I said we should not expect a vaccine. I know politicians are talking about it, but I don't trust politicians.

2. My numbers are accurate using Oregon as my example. Here is the link to the official Oregon Health Authority website that I referenced. It includes the latest update on testing that shows 250,637 have been tested and 241,760 have been negative. Note that if you check this link later today it may have been updated again and these numbers may be different. But it will still add up to about 3.5% positives for those who have been tested. I realize that other states are worse, but most states are more similar to Oregon than to the states you listed.

3. I don't know where your charts came from, but again I was only referring specifically to Oregon and I have seen evidence that many other states are similar. There is no question that testing has increased, so it just stands to reason that at least some of the increase can be attributed to that.

4. Thank you for the spelling correction. I never want to miss a chance to improve my spelling. Spellcheck tried to save me, but I just blew right through it.

BTW, I'm glad to know that you weren't trying to be a jerk. Thanks for clarifying that.
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Believe it or not, I actually agree with you that a vaccine is not in the cards... anytime soon, at least. Here we are... what... 40 years after AIDS came to the forefront (it's actually been around since the 1920s), and where's that vaccine? Can't be done because the virus constantly mutates, as I understand it.

Politicians and some others are selling us a dream. Promising a vaccine... a light at the end of the tunnel by year's end. Lies. All lies. Nobody knows how this will really end.
 
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rockytop989 said:
View attachment 291017Why is this country so stupid? Between October and April, there was an estimated 39-56 million cases of the flu in America alone. We are yet to be at 3 million in nearly the same time frame for COVID. But it’s so widespread that we are going to cancel football? According to the facts, the flu cases are 13 times more than COVID. Stop paying attention to the media, it’s not that bad. It’s just a stupid little virus.
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Christ, man. Wake up.

You do understand that if we didn't social distance and take other measures, that CV19 would spread like wildfire. Initial estimates were pegged 2M dead in the US. Thank god we did social distance.

As a point of historical reference, roughly 50 million people were killed by the last great pandemic (Spanish flu) in 1918-19. When the 2nd wave hit in Fall, 1918, the virus had mutated and literally killed people within 24 hours. There's nothing... I repeat nothing... preventing that from happening with CV-19. While it's only been deadly for older folks to date, that can change in a blink through mutation.


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rockytop989 said:
View attachment 291017Why is this country so stupid? Between October and April, there was an estimated 39-56 million cases of the flu in America alone. We are yet to be at 3 million in nearly the same time frame for COVID. But it’s so widespread that we are going to cancel football? According to the facts, the flu cases are 13 times more than COVID. Stop paying attention to the media, it’s not that bad. It’s just a stupid little virus.
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.....smh....

So. There is a vaccine for the Flu.

Is there one for Covid-19??????
 
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MontyPython said:
All a matter of perspective. If you're older, it's deadly.

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At 85 you have a good chance of dying from anything. This graph is BS. I know tons of people that have had it including an 87 yr old man with COPD. Most didnt know they had it, including him. He was in a nursing home and 15 other people got it also. None of them died. Most of the symptoms lasted 2 days. If you want to wear your mask please go ahead and do you. My wife is a Nurse & a regional hospice manager for a large hospice company. Trust me, there are alot more deadly things out there to worry about than Covid.
 
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MontyPython said:
Christ, man. Wake up.

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I’m awake man. Thanks for checking. We pack Neyland during the peak of flu season and nothing is ever said. No one wears masks. No one thinks about it. But when this little virus comes around and it’s “let’s cancel everything and crash the stock market while we’re at it” thinking over a virus that’s obviously way less contagious due the number of people getting it. And the fact the death rate is only 4.5% worldwide of all cases? It’s just ridiculous. If you’re scared of it, don’t go to the games. That simple.
 
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VolMarine1371 said:
Bring all the students back to campus as normal and house the all the athletes someplace else on campus and do all virtual classes there for they don’t come in contact with normal students daily and could control environment a little more!!
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And what else... all football players are going to be prohibited from seeing their friends, families, girlfriends too?

Not. Gonna. Happen.
 
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When have we quarantined the healthy to protect the sick? I was for the shutdown, but I am against moving the goalposts. No one should be forced to work, play, go to school or anything else, and for God's sake be careful if you interact with folks at high risk. That said, the rest of us need to get the world moving again.
 
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