George Floyd Protest/Riots

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utvols88 said:
You linked it here:

"But if they need a thought crime law to convict him for what he'd done in the past (to get to that drive through), they're too lazy to do their jobs as investigators."
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As an addendum to the original point after a couple of people scanned my post, ignored what I said and what I replied to? And, it's true by the way.

If the police are too lazy or incompetant to do some detective work and prove that he'd driven there, they don't deserve to arrest a sleeping man for driving illegally. Do your job or take him home and tuck him in. Our personal liberties are important enough to me for a few sleeping drunks to get off on the technicality of police laziness.
 
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hog88 said:
Asleep in a car is not driving, so arresting them for DUI is a thought crime because the might drive.

It's total ********.
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I see what you and Orange_Crush are saying, but that's a more appropriate conversation if someone is leaving a bar at closing time and decides to "sleep it off" in their parked car as opposed to driving home. Not saying that I agree with your line of thinking, but I can understand being upset with the law in that regard.

This guy, conversely, drove into the drive-thru and passed out behind the wheel. There's no "thought crime" involved since he demonstrably drove his vehicle while inebriated.
 
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TrumpedUpVol said:
I see what you and Orange_Crush are saying, but that's a more appropriate conversation if someone is leaving a bar at closing time and decides to "sleep it off" in their parked car as opposed to driving home. Not saying that I agree with your line of thinking, but I can understand being upset with the law in that regard.

This guy, conversely, drove into the drive-thru and passed out behind the wheel. There's no "thought crime" involved since he demonstrably drove his vehicle while inebriated.
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I've made my feelings on DUI clear, there should be no such laws on the books. Only stiff punishments for drunk crashing.
 
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TrumpedUpVol said:
I see what you and Orange_Crush are saying, but that's a more appropriate conversation if someone is leaving a bar at closing time and decides to "sleep it off" in their parked car as opposed to driving home. Not saying that I agree with your line of thinking, but I can understand being upset with the law in that regard.

This guy, conversely, drove into the drive-thru and passed out behind the wheel. There's no "thought crime" involved since he demonstrably drove his vehicle while inebriated.
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Shouldn't need the stupid law if they can demonstrate that. The law exists because they don't want to have to work to demonstrate it, or know that there will be times that they can't demonstrate it.

Now... How do you feel about laws written to get convictions that they can't prove? That's my problem with the law, and our liberties are important enough to me to see Mr/ Taco Bell go home and get arrested another day (for something they can prove).
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Sitting in a car with keys and a beer is not DRIVING Under the Influence, so they are arresting them for what they could possibly do in the future, if they chose to do something besides what they were doing while arrested.
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Actually I think drunk driving laws do include this sort of situation. If you're drinking while sitting in the driver's seat with keys in the ignition, I think that is grounds for DUI
 
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Driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs is illegal in every state. But what if you get caught drunk behind the wheel of a parked car? It surprises many drivers (especially those who pull over to "sleep it off") to learn that the DUI laws of most states also prohibit drivers from "operating" or being in "actual physical control" of a car while under the influence. In other words, you can get a DUI without actually driving.
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Can I Get a DUI for Sitting in a Parked Car While Drunk?
 
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hog88 said:
Asleep in a car is not driving, so arresting them for DUI is a thought crime because the might drive.

It's total ********.
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They did drive unless they are sitting in their driveway. And I’ve seen passed out people with the car in motion before. It’s not a thought crime. It’s putting others in danger
 
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Orange_Crush said:
As an addendum to the original point after a couple of people scanned my post, ignored what I said and what I replied to? And, it's true by the way.

If the police are too lazy or incompetant to do some detective work and prove that he'd driven there, they don't deserve to arrest a sleeping man for driving illegally. Do your job or take him home and tuck him in. Our personal liberties are important enough to me for a few sleeping drunks to get off on the technicality of police laziness.
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Sleeping and passed out intoxicated from alcohol or OD from drugs are not the same thing. And police liability wise have to take someone that is such to the hospital for medical care they can’t “take them home” 🙄
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
They did drive unless they are sitting in their driveway. And I’ve seen passed out people with the car in motion before. It’s not a thought crime. It’s putting others in danger
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Don't start with the one off examples. My comment was clear, you shouldn't be charged with a DUI for simply sleeping in your car keys nearby or not.
 
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hog88 said:
Don't start with the one off examples. My comment was clear, you shouldn't be charged with a DUI for simply sleeping in your car keys nearby or not.
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Being charged with public intoxication is no different. If you are danger to yourself and others, and to have someone drunk or on drugs in a vehicle in public fits that description
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Being charged with public intoxication is no different. If you are danger to yourself and others, and to have someone drunk or on drugs in a vehicle in public fits that description
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A public intoxication charge does not cost thousands of dollars and your job.
 
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hog88 said:
Don't start with the one off examples. My comment was clear, you shouldn't be charged with a DUI for simply sleeping in your car keys nearby or not.
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There is zero excuse for being in a driver’s seat intoxicated or attempting to drive intoxicated, nothing good can come from it.
 
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