Systemic Racism

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Devo182 said:
"Here's what to think" and talking points smh groupthink and tribalism. What happened to individual and rational thinking?
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I take it you didn't watch the video?

It's all stats and studies contrary to the idea of systemic racism, and why, in the face of that information, his position is pro-black community. It is a defense of his position.

I didn't tell anyone what to believe. If anyone is making a conservative argument on this narrative, these are the relevant stats and studies.

If reading a study someone else wrote is group think, so be it.

I hope you're not implying group think is a conservative problem. There are much more free thinkers in that group than the party of "If you don't vote Dem, you ain't black"
 
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Orange_Crush said:
So, if we add some critical thinking to this, this is how it plays out.

White people are inherently race privileged.
To prove it, look at these handicaps that blacks have to endure:
  1. Divorced/Unwed
  2. No father
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Pause.

These are two of the larger indicators of poverty, behavioral problems, dropping out of school, and crime. most of the following will stem from this.

So, if the argument is that this is an inherent racial issue (racial privilege), then it's saying that white people are inherently better at being married, and are inherently--genetically--better at staying to emotionally and financially support their progeny. Conversely, it's saying that black fathers are inherently dead beat dads that get their rocks off and leave their responsibilities for someone else to take care of.

Is this really the "fight racism" point they think they're making, or are they actually racist, denegrating, and offensive as hell?
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Got another few minutes to add thoughts to my thoughts...

Now, take all that we've just analyzed, and add a couple of quotes from the democrat presidential candidate.

He has worked for 40 years within the political party that engineered the entitlement structure that has decimated the nuclear black family and created the culture of black crime.

Biden in 1993 speech pushing crime bill warned of 'predators on our streets' who were 'beyond the pale' - CNNPolitics
(Watch the video.)

27 years ago, he developed and sponsored the "tougher on criminals" legislation that has affected black much more than anyone else. To pass the bill, he argued that: It doesn't matter what made them "super predators", they're coming for our family, so increase the war against them and pass legislation that locks them up and gets them off the street!

Joe Biden Says ‘Poor Kids’ Are Just as Bright as ‘White Kids’

More recently, he s let slip that poor kids are just as smart as white kids. Oops. Now we see that Joe specifically equates "poor" to "black". So, all those super predators that he said should be hunted down like the animals they are... All those that he said "doesn't matter what made them like they are...that they were poor, disadvantaged...without as many opportunities as us..."

Well, well, well, it was minorities he equated that to.

And now, he has the audacity to say:

Biden Apologizes for Saying Black Voters ‘Ain’t Black’ if They’re Considering Trump

If you don't vote for him... If you are considering Trump over him, you're not black.




Think about all of this as we discuss "systemic racism". There is absolutely systemic racism in this country, and it won't stop until we're all honest enough to name it. Then we can start talk about tearing it out.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
So, if we add some critical thinking to this, this is how it plays out.

White people are inherently race privileged.
To prove it, look at these handicaps that blacks have to endure:
  1. Divorced/Unwed
  2. No father
...

Pause.

These are two of the larger indicators of poverty, behavioral problems, dropping out of school, and crime. most of the following will stem from this.

So, if the argument is that this is an inherent racial issue (racial privilege), then it's saying that white people are inherently better at being married, and are inherently--genetically--better at staying to emotionally and financially support their progeny. Conversely, it's saying that black fathers are inherently dead beat dads that get their rocks off and leave their responsibilities for someone else to take care of.

Is this really the "fight racism" point they think they're making, or are they actually racist, denegrating, and offensive as hell?
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It all seems to just boil to certain cultures being incompatible with Western culture. Of course they would never think about going to any of their ancestral homelands which as we all know are just one step shy of being Shangri-La's. Good think upward mobility is so great in this world, gives everybody a chance to flee oppression.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
ETA: Sorry, didn't link the video.





Here's an emotionally satisfying explanation of white privilege. The problem is that it's not rationally satisfying.

EVERY step forward that proves "white" privilege in the above video is actually tied to wealth/poverty, and not race. To call it "racial" privilege is an outright lie. What needs to happen is, we need to break down the systems and culture that keep blacks poor. Those systems are liberal entitlements.

For the record, I had 7 of the 8 setbacks in the video above (and probably should have counted 8 of 8) and I'm white. It's not a race issue. It's a poverty and broken family problem.
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agreed. I can think of some in my family who wouldnt have taken any steps. I had maybe half of them. And every step I could have made was possible because of the direct work and sacrifice of my parents and grandparents.

Both my parents were first generation college grads. My dad's side didnt own the land they worked until my grandad. My dad only got thru college because of the GI bill. My dad sacrificed so much making sure his kids didnt have to make that choice. My mom's side was about a generation ahead of my dad.

I thank them both everytime I think about it. I am certainly privileged, but there is no way shape or form of guilt or wrong associated with that.

Depending on how you want to look at it that's just three generations to get to privileged from dirt poor. That's not impossible or implausible. It just takes hard work and dedication. Its having a goal and working towards it no matter what all happens in life.

I have a hard time seeing "privledged" as a problem.
 
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LouderVol said:
agreed. I can think of some in my family who wouldnt have taken any steps. I had maybe half of them. And every step I could have made was possible because of the direct work and sacrifice of my parents and grandparents.

Both my parents were first generation college grads. My dad's side didnt own the land they worked until my grandad. My dad only got thru college because of the GI bill. My dad sacrificed so much making sure his kids didnt have to make that choice. My mom's side was about a generation ahead of my dad.

I thank them both everytime I think about it. I am certainly privileged, but there is no way shape or form of guilt or wrong associated with that.

Depending on how you want to look at it that's just three generations to get to privileged from dirt poor. That's not impossible or implausible. It just takes hard work and dedication. Its having a goal and working towards it no matter what all happens in life.

I have a hard time seeing "privledged" as a problem.
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I remember the years as a kid. Me, my brother and my mom lived with my maternal grandmother in public housing, alongside African Americans. We'd all work in her garden and go fishing every day because that's literally where the food came from. At age 12, I started working as construction labor for my uncle's 2-3 person construction "business". I brought the money home to help with the bills.

When I was 17, my mom and her husband moved away and I dropped out of high school to work full time in construction. Mid 20s I had a wife, our kid, and step-kids (that I raised as my own). She was working double shifts. I was in the work/laid off cycle of construction. I didn't want to keep that generational poverty going, so I took responsibility of my education. Worked my way into an amazingly fulfilling and profitable career.

It wasn't three generations ago for me or my family. It was me. My generation. Five years old catching fish with grandma so she'd have something to cook us.

I'm not saying that blacks have it easy, But I'm saying "white privilege" is a myth. It's a poverty and liberal policy problem. And if we keep letting ourselves be bullied into silence about just what a myth this is, then everyone will keep trying to fix the myth and the true problems will never get fixed.

It is INCREDIBLY unloving to blacks for us to be cowards and not call the myth out.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
It all seems to just boil to certain cultures being incompatible with Western culture. Of course they would never think about going to any of their ancestral homelands which as we all know are just one step shy of being Shangri-La's. Good think upward mobility is so great in this world, gives everybody a chance to flee oppression.
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Thomas Sowell makes the case that urban culture descends from poor white rural cultural and that descends from the culture of Highland Scots. I can’t remember the book but I’ll find it.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I remember the years as a kid. Me, my brother and my mom lived with my maternal grandmother in public housing, alongside African Americans. We'd all work in her garden and go fishing every day because that's literally where the food came from. At age 12, I started working as construction labor for my uncle's 2-3 person construction "business". I brought the money home to help with the bills.

When I was 17, my mom and her husband moved away and I dropped out of high school to work full time in construction. Mid 20s I had a wife, our kid, and step-kids (that I raised as my own). She was working double shifts. I was in the work/laid off cycle of construction. I didn't want to keep that generational poverty going, so I took responsibility of my education. Worked my way into an amazingly fulfilling and profitable career.

It wasn't three generations ago for me or my family. It was me. My generation. Five years old catching fish with grandma so she'd have something to cook us.

I'm not saying that blacks have it easy, But I'm saying "white privilege" is a myth. It's a poverty and liberal policy problem. And if we keep letting ourselves be bullied into silence about just what a myth this is, then everyone will keep trying to fix the myth and the true problems will never get fixed.

It is INCREDIBLY unloving to blacks for us to be cowards and not call the myth out.
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way to go man. good for you.
 
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I don’t like discussing this BS at this point in time. I feel like every smart ass joke comment I start to make .... I realize someone’s gonna say it’s racist.
I watched a Sanford and Son best of Redd Foxx video and every scene had jokes about everything people are so sensitive about nowadays..... he was going to punch women in the mouth, called out fat chicks, used the N word, made whitey comments, gave Puerto Rican’s hell, made the white cop dumb as a slug, ....... it was awesome
 
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Carl Pickens said:
I don’t like discussing this BS at this point in time. I feel like every smart ass joke comment I start to make .... I realize someone’s gonna say it’s racist.
I watched a Sanford and Son best of Redd Foxx video and every scene had jokes about everything people are so sensitive about nowadays..... he was going to punch women in the mouth, called out fat chicks, used the N word, made whitey comments, gave Puerto Rican’s hell, made the white cop dumb as a slug, ....... it was awesome
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The social justice warriors have destroyed comedy.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Here’s the rub in my opinion: police brutality against any race is abhorrent. However, brutality even slightly slanted towards black people is magnified 100x due to this countries history and its relationship with Black people. Fair or not, it logically paints the picture that we still are not over the issue. And why would we be? Blacks didn’t get the right to vote as a citizen until 60 years ago. There are many, many people still alive from that time.
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Slavery and Jim Crow lasted from like 1619-1970 and according to this board, black people were supposed to be on equal footing by 2000
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I remember the years as a kid. Me, my brother and my mom lived with my maternal grandmother in public housing, alongside African Americans. We'd all work in her garden and go fishing every day because that's literally where the food came from. At age 12, I started working as construction labor for my uncle's 2-3 person construction "business". I brought the money home to help with the bills.

When I was 17, my mom and her husband moved away and I dropped out of high school to work full time in construction. Mid 20s I had a wife, our kid, and step-kids (that I raised as my own). She was working double shifts. I was in the work/laid off cycle of construction. I didn't want to keep that generational poverty going, so I took responsibility of my education. Worked my way into an amazingly fulfilling and profitable career.

It wasn't three generations ago for me or my family. It was me. My generation. Five years old catching fish with grandma so she'd have something to cook us.

I'm not saying that blacks have it easy, But I'm saying "white privilege" is a myth. It's a poverty and liberal policy problem. And if we keep letting ourselves be bullied into silence about just what a myth this is, then everyone will keep trying to fix the myth and the true problems will never get fixed.

It is INCREDIBLY unloving to blacks for us to be cowards and not call the myth out.
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“White people are also poor” is not a refutation of white privilege
 
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NashVol11 said:
Slavery and Jim Crow lasted from like 1619-1970 and according to this board, black people were supposed to be on equal footing by 2000
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Your ending date isn’t right but regardless what’s your point? By 2000 you would expect to see monumental progress but why haven’t we? Drugs? Education? Crime? Other? I mean within a 24 hr period 18 black people killed 18 other black people in just ONE CITY. Is that due to systematic racism from the place where a black guy was a community organizer and became president of the US? I suppose he was as good of community organizer as he was a president. Seems like a lot of people have a lot of choices to make in order to make their lives better but they don’t.
 
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C-south said:
Your ending date isn’t right but regardless what’s your point? By 2000 you would expect to see monumental progress but why haven’t we? Drugs? Education? Crime? Other? I mean within a 24 hr period 18 black people killed 18 other black people in just ONE CITY. Is that due to systematic racism from the place where a black guy was a community organizer and became president of the US? I suppose he was as good of community organizer as he was a president. Seems like a lot of people have a lot of choices to make in order to make their lives better but they don’t.
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There definitely has been monumental progress, but expecting a leap from oppression to equality in one or two generations should be absurd to anyone who spends 5 seconds thinking about it
 
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