George Floyd Protest/Riots

[Ten_Titans]

There's nothing imaginary about it. And if anyone should feel guilty it's you for saying so. Hopefully when things get better you will see.. there are a lot.of solutions to a complex problem, but it's hard to begin talking about those when you're side says the problem is imaginary in the first place. What's the point of even talking solutions with someone like you if you say we're dishonest?

I've shown proof for why it is imaginary. I'm tired of having that argument over and over with different people. I posted a video of Larry Elder last night that summarizes the proof that systemic racism is not real just as well as I could post here if you want to watch it.

But I'm past it. Here is my hypothesis: "If the problem is imaginary, there will be only be bad, ineffectual solutions to it". I said that two weeks ago when all this started. Well before anyone had the dumbass idea to defund the police. There is no other argument for me to make. You can only argue against the existence of something so much. It's time to find the racist people or policies holding down black people. I don't know how else you would solve it if that isn't the first step.

As far as the dishonesty part, the very formulation of the problem is to essentially say "All ethnic inequity is the result of systemic racism." Sorry. No. Not in a free society where people behave differently along ethnic lines, as well as thousands of other lines.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

This is about police brutality, right?

I know Ras, for one, still knows that.

They are protesting police brutality, right? I am with them 100% in that fight.

Now if you try to twist into me kneeling at the altar of "black community ", in order to show repentance for my "white privilege ".....then you are in a completely fictional place, and we might as well all ride unicorns.

I came up poor, never had anything handed to me.... and I still work 50 to 60hrs, in 6 days a week, to provide for me and mine. I do not owe anyone an apology, or kneel before anyone but God Almighty. All my siblings were raised the same, and had the same challenges and goals in life. Race has never been an issue, and 40% of us kids are black. I am the only 1 who didnt graduate HS with their class... I am also the only 1 who has ever been in jail. Yet I am white, and my 2 sisters are black. They had no problems getting into college, getting jobs, or generally making good lives for themselves. I am not sure how...the liberals say that I was oppressing them the whole time...but they both did really well for themselves. Mama sure is proud.

Hopefully there are enough sane adults like me left in this country come November. I will be steadily stacking ammo either way. This fictional white privilege, oppression, etc etc....its all a load of sheit.

Thought we were talking bout police brutality??? Seems that is something we could ALL GET BEHIND CHANGING.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

Hey even Iran is into the protest. Good on them. Injustice recognizes injustice.

 

[Sea Ray]

Don't people realize, on both sides, that when they do lame-brained crap like this they fuel the other side's energy? Freakin idiots.

The KKK isn't on a side. Republicans don't claim the KKK.

 

[Dudleys87]

I’m all for righting wrongs but if your gonna call racism then call it for both sides or not at all.

And what does killing Policemen of any race going to fix? If it’s white why kill the black police chief?

Why burn down the businesses, shops, houses, and homes of all American people going to fix? Most of which jump the same hurdles the ones rioting are jumping through day in and day out.

All the while being peddled around by men with deep pockets and an agenda.

So Someone, who can see both sides, and remain level headed please explain it to me.

 

[DynaLo]

I didn't judge any of them, I simply pointed out that the ideology's from then and now aren't remotely the same. They were the same in name only.

The wisdom of rightness and wrongness comes with the perspective of realizing the treatment of people. Racism today is just as wrong as it was then and I suspect that a great many people felt terrible about it then as well, they were just afraid to buck the system.

The ideologies don’t seem to be as vastly different as some would like it to appear if one honestly looks backwards at the treatment of blacks from then to now. Tell me how the treatment of blacks on a individual, personal level are much improved in the current democratic run enclaves. If democratic party ideologies have changed so much one would expect to see these democratic run areas being the shining beacons of black prosperity, justice and equality. The place for the uplifting and celebration of black success. Sorry, I’m just not seeing that and I haven’t seen it through the past several decades.

Both parties suck equally in their failures to actually address the issues and not just pander for votes when it’s convent. The Democrats with their stay on the plantation approach and the Republicans with their here’s a bandaid for your sucking chest wound approach have been equally abhorrent and negligent.

 

[Sea Ray]

In name only m'lady. The KKK, it's founders ideology on virtually any subject then aren't remotely similar to any leftest ideology today.

Also, a Tennessean founded the Klan in Pulaski, TN under the Confederate flag. I don't know about you, but I only see a group of folks still flying it today.

So Confederate flag=KKK in your world.

No wonder folks tune you out around here.

 

[lacrossepro70]

I've shown proof for why it is imaginary. I'm tired of having that argument over and over with different people. I posted a video of Larry Elder last night that summarizes the proof that systemic racism is not real just as well as I could post here if you want to watch it.

But I'm past it. Here is my hypothesis: "If the problem is imaginary, there will be only be bad, ineffectual solutions to it". I said that two weeks ago when all this started. Well before anyone had the dumbass idea to defund the police. There is no other argument for me to make. You can only argue against the existence of something so much. It's time to find the racist people or policies holding down black people. I don't know how else you would solve it if that isn't the first step.

As far as the dishonesty part, the very formulation of the problem is to essentially say "All ethnic inequity is the result of systemic racism." Sorry. No. Not in a free society where people behave differently along ethnic lines, as well as thousands of other lines.

Yeah I'm not saying all ethnic inequity is the result of systemic racism. In fact I don't know anyone who's said that. To say that this is the crux of the argument being put forth is dishonest.

If your argument is "racial disparity is justified and inherent, therefore there is no racial disparity in the way people are treated under the law in the justice system".. well thats just silly

And saying you have proof and you're tired of talking about it because you posted a video of one black dude who has zero credibility just makes you look bad

 

[Bigun]

In name only m'lady. The KKK, it's founders ideology on virtually any subject then aren't remotely similar to any leftest ideology today.

Also, a Tennessean founded the Klan in Pulaski, TN under the Confederate flag. I don't know about you, but I only see a group of folks still flying it today.

When did Robert Byrd switch parties again? Grand Wizard of the KKK got to be the majority leader of the Democrats.....but you know, it's the Republicans.

 

[McDad]

I’m all for righting wrongs but if your gonna call racism then call it for both sides or not at all.

And what does killing Policemen of any race going to fix? If it’s white why kill the black police chief?

Why burn down the businesses, shops, houses, and homes of all American people going to fix? Most of which jump the same hurdles the ones rioting are jumping through day in and day out.

All the while being peddled around by men with deep pockets and an agenda.

So Someone, who can see both sides, and remain level headed please explain it to me.

Your questions have no logical answers because the rioters are acting on emotion / opportunity; not logic.

 

[Dudleys87]

Yeah I'm not saying all ethnic inequity is the result of systemic racism. In fact I don't know anyone who's said that. To say that this is the crux of the argument being put forth is dishonest.

If your argument is "racial disparity is justified and inherent, therefore there is no racial disparity in the way people are treated under the law in the justice system".. well thats just silly

And saying you have proof and you're tired of talking about it because you posted a video of one black dude who has zero credibility just makes you look bad

Please tell me you don’t believe only one race gets the shaft in the courts.

The are a lot of small town judges who would rather get home to dinner than give a fair trial.

 

[Weezer]

Your selective outrage called.

Isn't that the point? It's selective outrage that has the media(and others) calling out Trump's photo op without calling out the same from the left. They're all photo ops, but we're not getting equal reactions. Selective outrage really points out that people, and in this case the media, has taken sides. It goes against the idea that the news is supposes to report what's happening without taking sides. It makes me question whether the press is still the press when they give up the role of unbiased observer? And yes, this applies to the right wing media as well.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

Then she couldn't get up

He left out ***Culturally Appropriating the Hell out of that scarf****

It’s like she borrowed it from OJ’s house when the jury visited his residence.

 

[Dudleys87]

Your questions have no logical answers because the rioters are acting on emotion / opportunity; not logic.

Then isn’t it fair to say that’s why some folks don’t take it seriously when this happens?

again, I’m not looking for an argument just asking questions.

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

Just like I believe everyone needs to work in retail once in their life, get beat up at least once in their life, I believe a little humiliation is good for the person.

Reset the self value we assign ourselves.

Humility is a good trait. There's nothing wrong with working a retail-type job to get by when need be. I agree with you on that.

The act in question is an example of self-humilation, likely for the sake of virtue signaling. That is degrading oneself.

 

[Dudleys87]

He left out ***Culturally Appropriating the Hell out of that scarf****

It’s like she borrowed it from OJ’s house when the jury visited his residence.

In all seriousness, If your Democrat, Republican, or otherwise anyone get the feeling she laughs at all of us when the camera is off?

 

[Weezer]

Maybe the next president can actually MAGA.

Wouldn't that be nice?

I don't think that's possible in our current political system, especially with the people it attracts to run for office.

 

[Ten_Titans]

Yeah I'm not saying all ethnic inequity is the result of systemic racism. In fact I don't know anyone who's said that. To say that this is the crux of the argument being put forth is dishonest.

If your argument is "racial disparity is justified and inherent, therefore there is no racial disparity in the way people are treated under the law in the justice system".. well thats just silly

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nal-justice-system-is-racist-heres-the-proof/

"Overwhelming evidence". Man. That sounds bad. Let's see the definition:

It means that we have systems and institutions that produce racially disparate outcomes, regardless of the intentions of the people who work within them.

That's a stupid definition. I would say 80% of the articles I have read on the "widespread" systemic racism use that definition.

Then there is a modified definition which is like the link you sent me yesterday. "We corrected for what we could think of, and there was still a small unexplained difference between blacks and whites".

That is called the God of the gaps fallacy, and Christian fundamentalists have been using it for 1000 years. Proof of racism means proof of a racist policy or person. I'm not playing with that definition to shoehorn stats into a narrative.

Again, if there were tons of crystal clear data out there pointing to a problem, I would be more sympathetic to this vague problem statement. But it isn't there. At the very least watch the first 4 minutes of this and you can at least see why I say that.



As far as my argument, that isn't it. Racial disparity is not something I would "justify". That is legitimately racist. I'm just as for having blacks succeed on the same rate as whites as anyone else. The single biggest reason they aren't in my opinion is the defacto family unit in black communities is broken, not the ghost of racist governments.

 

[lacrossepro70]

Please tell me you don’t believe only one race gets the shaft in the courts.

The are a lot of small town judges who would rather get home to dinner than give a fair trial.

I don't actually, and I hear ya on that. Definitely plenty of white people who get the shaft too. But some races get the shaft more than others and the research seems to back that up.

 

[McDad]

Then isn’t it fair to say that’s why some folks don’t take it seriously when this happens?

again, I’m not looking for an argument just asking questions.

I don't know. I can't speak on how others do or do not take things.

I suspect the looted store owners, the destroyed business owners and homeowners, and the families of the dead are taking it seriously.

 

[Weezer]

No one make criminals accept a plea deal nor forces them to commit crime in the first place

Sometimes innocent people get pressured into pleading guilty even if they're not.

 

[Dudleys87]

Just like I believe everyone needs to work in retail once in their life, get beat up at least once in their life, I believe a little humiliation is good for the person.

Reset the self value we assign ourselves.

Be green behind the ears and wonder onto a construction site....

 

[lacrossepro70]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nal-justice-system-is-racist-heres-the-proof/

"Overwhelming evidence". Man. That sounds bad. Let's see the definition:



That's a stupid definition. I would say 80% of the articles I have read on the "widespread" systemic racism use that definition.

Then there is a modified definition which is like the link you sent me yesterday. "We corrected for what we could think of, and there was still a small unexplained difference between blacks and whites".

That is called the God of the gaps fallacy, and Christian fundamentalists have been using it for 1000 years. Proof of racism means proof of a racist policy or person. I'm not playing with that definition to shoehorn stats into a narrative.

Again, if there were tons of crystal clear data out there pointing to a problem, I would be more sympathetic to this vague problem statement. But it isn't there. At the very least watch the first 4 minutes of this and you can at least see why I say that.



As far as my argument, that isn't it. Racial disparity is not something I would "justify". That is legitimately racist. I'm just as for having blacks succeed on the same rate as whites as anyone else. The single biggest reason they aren't in my opinion is the defacto family unit in black communities is broken, not the ghost of racist governments.

I wouldn't expect a God of the Gaps argument from a guy who posts Ben Shappiro and Larry Elder videos. You're definitely not typical I'll give ya that. And yeah the destruction of the family unit is a problem- but it's a problem largely because Reagan Bush and Clinton were trying to score cheap political points by putting more black people in jail. Esp. for crack which more or less carried a life sentence. Hard to keep your family together if Daddy's in jail.

 

[Dudleys87]

I don't actually, and I hear ya on that. Definitely plenty of white people who get the shaft too. But some races get the shaft more than others and the research seems to back that up.

Which is why I am a firm believer that some
Cases especially high profile cases shouldn’t be held anywhere near either persons hometown. There’s bias there whether or not anyone wants to admit it.

 

[Bigun]

Can't wait for this walk-back......