George Floyd Protest/Riots

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zeppelin128 said:
Reports are that he is in serious condition. He's 75 years old. Didn't stop them from walking past him like he was trash so they could arrest somebody.
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I just saw serious, but stable condition. The 2 cops are suspended and under IA investigation. Every politician in NY is on this now, no rug sweeping on this one.
I’m just thankful that they had a military field medic with them so he could start getting immediate treatment.
 
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NCFisher said:
If Floyd and henchmen had forcibly entered the home and put a gun to your pregnant wife's stomach while tossing the place, would you consider him a scumbag?
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I would. But I also wouldn’t know who you were talking about had he not been murdered by the police.

Given that he was murdered and that how I know who he is, the evidence he may otherwise be a scumbag doesn’t matter. In fact, not even sure why it is relevant or brought up.
 
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NCFisher said:
If Floyd and henchmen had forcibly entered the home and put a gun to your pregnant wife's stomach while tossing the place, would you consider him a scumbag?
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If it happened to me - yes because that would be all I could consider. If I have no knowledge of a person other than media reports then I'd want to know the sum of their character before my immediate reaction is to label them a scumbag. So if that woman or her family consider him a scumbag I understand it. For you or Justin to make the determination without knowing the man or the sum of his deeds and relying on media reports? Well I consider that wrong. In particular Justin seemed disgusted that the man received a large funeral - that seems pretty hateful to me and I want no part of it.
 
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DynaLo said:
I just saw serious, but stable condition. The 2 cops are suspended and under IA investigation. Every politician in NY is on this now, no rug sweeping on this one.
I’m just thankful that they had a military field medic with them so he could start getting immediate treatment.
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The scary thing is had it not been captured on video nothing would have probably happened.

So you have to wonder how often police do stuff like this that they never see consequences for.
 
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TrumpedUpVol said:
Legitimate question, are there any specific demands being sought by protestors at this point? I certainly recognize the source of their discontent and their desire for black people to be treated more fairly, but it seems as if I haven’t seen this concept clearly defined with well-outlined expectations that can be enacted with criminal justice reform. In contrast with 1968, is there some kind of legislation that will put an end to this?

I’m just not sure that we can allow the indefinite continuation of protests that frequently evolve into riots and, without something more concrete than “all lives can’t matter until black lives matter” as a guiding principle/goal, there isn’t a clear end in sight here.
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The only legislation I can think of is some sort of police reform, but other than that I cant really think of anything
 
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rjd970 said:
The scary thing is had it not been captured on video nothing would have probably happened.

So you have to wonder how often police do stuff like this that they never see consequences for.
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I'm sure it happens but I'm equally bothered when I see protestors beating up a cop. Violence is violence.

The trend I see is the "F the police" crowd only shows the police violence and the "F the protestors" only show the protestor violence. Bad shizz is happening across the board.
 
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rjd970 said:
I don’t know what VBH said. My point is it shouldn’t matter if the victim was Mother Teresa or Charles Manson. It was a murder by a police officer. I fail to see how the victim’s background matters in the least.
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Again, it doesn't. Nor did the person pointing out Floyd's criminal history use that to minimize the killing, but made a simple statement that Floyd was a scumbag and should not be made out a martyr. That's it.

Killing can be murder, homicide, or manslaughter. I think the murder charge is swinging for the fences, and the Manslaughter 2 charge is the fallback. Sometimes murder 3 is the same as manslaughter; states have their own variations. But routinely, murder requires the intent to kill.

Did Chauvin intend to kill Floyd? Yeah, I don't know either but I object to auto-classification as 'murder'. If not, it should be a manslaughter charge.
 
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rjd970 said:
I would. But I also wouldn’t know who you were talking about had he not been murdered by the police.

Given that he was murdered and that how I know who he is, the evidence he may otherwise be a scumbag doesn’t matter. In fact, not even sure why it is relevant or brought up.
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Then you agree with the poster that Bham took exception to. That was part and parcel of the comment. It was "brought up" because the person terming him a scumbag was saying he's not a martyr, not that it has bearing on his death. It was just a comment.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
I just saw someone post a tweet that they are trying to cancel all police TV shows. You have remarkable faith in this twitter mob lie riddled narrative to stay on course.

I would say 80% chance Floyd gets a statue by the time we are done here.
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He deserves one more than any Confederate soldiers do
 
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TrumpedUpVol said:
Legitimate question, are there any specific demands being sought by protestors at this point? I certainly recognize the source of their discontent and their desire for black people to be treated more fairly, but it seems as if I haven’t seen this concept clearly defined with well-outlined expectations that can be enacted with criminal justice reform. In contrast with 1968, is there some kind of legislation that will put an end to this?

I’m just not sure that we can allow the indefinite continuation of protests that frequently evolve into riots and, without something more concrete than “all lives can’t matter until black lives matter” as a guiding principle/goal, there isn’t a clear end in sight here.
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8 Can't Wait

8 examples, of many
 
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NCFisher said:
Then you agree with the poster that Bham took exception to. That was part and parcel of the comment. It was "brought up" because the person terming him a scumbag was saying he's not a martyr, not that it has bearing on his death. It was just a comment.
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I still haven’t seen a good reason why his criminal record is relevant, this post included. No one is saying he was a perfect citizen, just that he shouldn’t have been killed.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
Uh huh. The crack heads of 2020 are all of higher moral character than every person born before 1865.

I would expect no less historical nuance from the woke religion of racism.
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Guy describing Floyd as “the crack head of 2020” wants to talk about nuance, OK
 
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Ten_Titans said:
Uh huh. The crack heads of 2020 are all of higher moral character than every person born before 1865.

I would expect no less historical nuance from the woke religion of racism.
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Tell me more about how the Nazis “weren’t all of bad moral character” and should be on pedestals
 
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“Hey this guy thinks human beings should be treated as property, but other than that he’s a pretty cool dude”
 
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