Systemic Racism

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Rickyvol77 said:
75% of fatherless homes in the black communities are NOT because of just drugs. The first thing that community can do to succeed is have strong father role models.

Abortion is a factor only in terms of sewing seeds from the above statement

Black people are not the most religious group in the US

Generations being in welfare is a choice
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75% is a lie. Maybe there is a 75% unmarried rate. Two different things that racist like to use to manipulate the numbers.

Black fathers regardless of marriage status are more involved with their children then white men.

Going by your racist unmarried stat my kids didn't have a father because I never married their mom. Let's ignore that I was more involved than any married dad could be and one child is in med school and the other will be a computer programmer when he graduates. The same with plenty of people I know.

Maybe Hispanics are more religious. Black people are way more Christian and religious than white people . That is a statistical fact.
 
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wtmvol said:
On the off chance your question was serious...

A lot of what we're experiencing in this country comes down to sowing and reaping. We're reaping now what was long sown into the fabric of this country.

A great example of systemic racism is looking back to the mid 20th century and how African Americans were deliberately excluded from the home wealth boom. I can't imagine anyone even arguing against this part. Here is a great video showing what happened...

Segregated By Design

Black Americans were segregated into certain sections of cities by design. Even middle class AA's who could certainly have afforded to move into the sprawling suburbs were denied loans, or the only loans they could get were so bad that at the time it made more sense to move into the black neighborhoods the government was corraling them into. Then redlining took place, where neighborhoods were rated based on perceived ability to pay back loans. The predominantly black districts were rated the lowest, making it extremely difficult for an AA to get a loan. So they were stuck where they were placed with no ability to get out until decades later, meaning an entire generation missed out on the wealth boom, you know that period of time our parents or grandparents call "the good ol' days". Those neighborhoods often turned into slums because of the growing wealth gap combined with the fact that services such as garbage collection ran much slower in those areas so it just looked worse.

Another example is the freeway system in some cities that destroyed what once were "good" black neighborhoods. In Richmond where I live, the construction of I-195 that cuts through an area of downtown demolished certain neighborhoods that at the time were decent AA neighborhoods. Now those are areas of town known as "lock your doors" territories.

I think your argument is going to be, "yeah, but that was like like 50 years ago. All they have to do is leave and go to better neighborhoods now." When centuries of blatant racist government policies have beaten down a group of people, it makes it extremely hard to get out of that cycle. Some have, but most haven't. We see the same pattern in the most impoverished white areas. I have participated in missions to a certain town in West Virginia that is as poor as any 3rd world country out there. The people there have no means to leave to go somewhere better. Psychologically, they believe there's nothing out there for them so they stay there living in conditions unimaginable. Now, it's not because of racism that they're in that position, but that's just kind of what happens generationally. Patterns and habits are handed from parent to child along with the wealth (or lack thereof) and on and on we go.

Why haven't Asian Americans faced the same dilemma? Well, it wasn't for a lack of trying by White America last century. But then, for some reason we became a little less racist towards Asians than we were African Americans. Studies have been done showing that at one time, Asians were being paid the same or less than Blacks doing the same job. But then we started paying them more for the same job. Then we started paying them the same as white people. I think that was the main factor. Yes, education and family structure was a priority for Asians, and that helped. But the wealth gap didn't destroy them like it did African Americans.
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Its easier to accept people who are different than you when they conform to societal trends and goals.
 
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golfballs said:
The study where they conclude “we have no definitive proof of discrimination.“
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Perhaps, I didn't read the whole thing - what I did see is this:

The results obtained using these data are informative and, in some cases, startling. Using data on NYC’s Stop and Frisk program, we demonstrate that on non-lethal uses of force – putting hands on civilians (which includes slapping or grabbing) or pushing individuals into a wall or onto the ground, there are large racial differences. In the raw data, blacks and Hispanics are more than fifty percent more likely to have an interaction with police which involves any use of force.

Interestingly, as the intensity of force increases (e.g. handcuffing civilians without arrest, drawing or pointing a weapon, or using pepper spray or a baton), the probability that any civilian is subjected to such treatment is small, but the racial difference remains surprisingly constant. For instance, 0.26 percent of interactions between police and civilians involve an officer drawing a weapon; 0.02 percent involve using a baton. These are rare events. Yet, the results indicate that they are significantly more rare for whites than blacks. In the raw data, blacks are 21.3 percent more likely to be involved in an interaction with police in which at least a weapon is drawn than whites and the difference is statistically significant.
 
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k-town_king said:
"Entitlement programs" were only needed to help overcome the stealing of black wealth and the active hindrance against black success that the impoverished communities faced. See Black Wall Street and also acknowledge the fact most lynchings were of middle class or wealthy blacks who would then have their property stolen and redistributed to the locals.


The marriage clauses that encourage staying single were conservative policies. Also the clauses in the "entitlement programs" that many white families took advantage of in the 40-60s to build family wealth and acquire property that excluded black people were all from conservatives.

Democrats and liberals are not always the same. There have been plenty of moderate Democrats that hurt the black community.

These issues still hurt the black community.
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Malcolm X said: "The worst enemy that the Negro have is this white man that runs around here drooling at the mouth professing to love Negros and calling himself a liberal, and it is following these white liberals that has perpetuated problems that Negros have. If the Negro wasn't taken, tricked or deceived by the white liberal, then Negros would get together and solve our own problems. I only cite these things to show you that in America, the history of the white liberal has been nothing but a series of trickery designed to make Negros think that the white liberal was going to solve our problems. Our problems will never be solved by the white man."
 
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k-town_king said:
75% is a lie. Maybe there is a 75% unmarried rate. Two different things that racist like to use to manipulate the numbers.

Black fathers regardless of marriage status are more involved with their children then white men.

Going by your racist unmarried stat my kids didn't have a father because I never married their mom. Let's ignore that I was more involved than any married dad could be and one child is in med school and the other will be a computer programmer when he graduates. The same with plenty of people I know.

Maybe Hispanics are more religious. Black people are way more Christian and religious than white people . That is a statistical fact.
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Lol. The old "black wall street" myth and now this? You might want to take a sociology course at your local CC someday..
 
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k-town_king said:
75% is a lie. Maybe there is a 75% unmarried rate. Two different things that racist like to use to manipulate the numbers.

Black fathers regardless of marriage status are more involved with their children then white men.

Going by your racist unmarried stat my kids didn't have a father because I never married their mom. Let's ignore that I was more involved than any married dad could be and one child is in med school and the other will be a computer programmer when he graduates. The same with plenty of people I know.

Maybe Hispanics are more religious. Black people are way more Christian and religious than white people . That is a statistical fact.
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Sounds racist to me.
 
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k-town_king said:
75% is a lie. Maybe there is a 75% unmarried rate. Two different things that racist like to use to manipulate the numbers.

Black fathers regardless of marriage status are more involved with their children then white men.

Going by your racist unmarried stat my kids didn't have a father because I never married their mom. Let's ignore that I was more involved than any married dad could be and one child is in med school and the other will be a computer programmer when he graduates. The same with plenty of people I know.

Maybe Hispanics are more religious. Black people are way more Christian and religious than white people . That is a statistical fact.
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How were you able to help your kids achieve so much in this racist society?
 
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Society as a whole has deliberately turned the other way and ignored the issues plaguing the black community.
 
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k-town_king said:
75% is a lie. Maybe there is a 75% unmarried rate. Two different things that racist like to use to manipulate the numbers.

Black fathers regardless of marriage status are more involved with their children then white men.

Going by your racist unmarried stat my kids didn't have a father because I never married their mom. Let's ignore that I was more involved than any married dad could be and one child is in med school and the other will be a computer programmer when he graduates. The same with plenty of people I know.

Maybe Hispanics are more religious. Black people are way more Christian and religious than white people . That is a statistical fact.
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Racial and ethnic composition - Religion in America: U.S. Religious Data, Demographics and Statistics
 
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allvol123 said:
And what kind of policies are about to be generated from the current mess? I think you know.
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The correct change is for residents to elect competent mayors who will take accountability for their police departments. What’s the policy for restraining someone with a knee to the neck? What are the costs for not following established guidelines? What are the costs for repeated and numerous complaints? In the case of George Floyd the only people to blame is Chauvin, the city leadership, and the people who continue to vote those clowns in.
 
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k-town_king said:
75% is a lie. Maybe there is a 75% unmarried rate. Two different things that racist like to use to manipulate the numbers.

Black fathers regardless of marriage status are more involved with their children then white men.

Going by your racist unmarried stat my kids didn't have a father because I never married their mom. Let's ignore that I was more involved than any married dad could be and one child is in med school and the other will be a computer programmer when he graduates. The same with plenty of people I know.

Maybe Hispanics are more religious. Black people are way more Christian and religious than white people . That is a statistical fact.
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Sounds like you may be the one with preconceived notions and prejudices about race; i was referencing actual government data
 
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golfballs said:
The correct change is for residents to elect competent mayors who will take accountability for their police departments. What’s the policy for restraining someone with a knee to the neck? What are the costs for not following established guidelines? What are the costs for repeated and numerous complaints? In the case of George Floyd the only people to blame is Chauvin, the city leadership, and the people who continue to vote those clowns in.
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Great point if you want change in your local communities then you need to hold your locally elected officials accountable.
 
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Septic said:
Perhaps, I didn't read the whole thing - what I did see is this:

The results obtained using these data are informative and, in some cases, startling. Using data on NYC’s Stop and Frisk program, we demonstrate that on non-lethal uses of force – putting hands on civilians (which includes slapping or grabbing) or pushing individuals into a wall or onto the ground, there are large racial differences. In the raw data, blacks and Hispanics are more than fifty percent more likely to have an interaction with police which involves any use of force.

Interestingly, as the intensity of force increases (e.g. handcuffing civilians without arrest, drawing or pointing a weapon, or using pepper spray or a baton), the probability that any civilian is subjected to such treatment is small, but the racial difference remains surprisingly constant. For instance, 0.26 percent of interactions between police and civilians involve an officer drawing a weapon; 0.02 percent involve using a baton. These are rare events. Yet, the results indicate that they are significantly more rare for whites than blacks. In the raw data, blacks are 21.3 percent more likely to be involved in an interaction with police in which at least a weapon is drawn than whites and the difference is statistically significant.
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"Using data on NYC's stop and frisk program" - because that is definitely relatable to everywhere else in America.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
ok and you are talking about poverty not race. It is not a "race issue" that a child has a loving mother and father and in a better situation than one that does not.

I mean "did you have a computer or cell phone?" Again this has absolutely nothing to do with race
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It's about privilege and being in situations that are no fault of their own. Notice most of the people left behind in the race (for whatever reason) were black?
Also, If a closed minded person can be "woke", then possibly go watch the WIRE. It's not just about the projects/drug culture/gangs, it also covers the police, the inner city schools, the press, politicians, and the Union. I don't know if they play it now, but it was on HBO.
 
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k-town_king said:
The war on drugs has taken more black fathers out of the home than any other thing.

Abortion is a non factor.

Religion in schools is a non factor. Black people are the most religious group in the U.S. Always has been. Doesn't help against racism or racist policies.

The marriage stipulations in welfare programs are conservative inventions.
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Today's black church is a shell of what it was 50 years ago. That falls squarely on the shoulder of black people. If black churches were really doing their jobs, you would see blacks supporting a lot of these liberal programs and agendas that are destroying them. I grew up in the black church but saw very early on the corruption and the sinfulness that is being stirred up in many of these places of worship. Just like many of the males I grew up with, I don't even go to church anymore to have to deal with the nonsense. That is why black churches today have pews and choirs filled with women, but hardly a man in sight.

Abortion is an example of the decay in morality that the black church today exhibits.

As far as the marriage stipulations in welfare, you may be correct in that. However, feminism has really done a great job in convincing black women that they can be strong and independent and not need men to help them raise children. The govt is their husband and father.
 
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k-town_king said:
75% is a lie. Maybe there is a 75% unmarried rate. Two different things that racist like to use to manipulate the numbers.

Black fathers regardless of marriage status are more involved with their children then white men.

Going by your racist unmarried stat my kids didn't have a father because I never married their mom. Let's ignore that I was more involved than any married dad could be and one child is in med school and the other will be a computer programmer when he graduates. The same with plenty of people I know.

Maybe Hispanics are more religious. Black people are way more Christian and religious than white people . That is a statistical fact.
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I think a responsible moral father involved with his children is one of the best ways to point them towards success or failure. Congratulations on that, for sure.
 
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Matt2496 said:
Society as a whole has deliberately turned the other way and ignored the issues plaguing the black community.
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True. Society has turned the other way, but society includes them as well. I would surmise that decades and decades of injections of money into poor minority neighborhoods/schools/business/job creation have not really resulted in much and led most to be apathetic to "the cause". Unfortunately there is literally no where on earth where one person can point to a predominantly black populated and governed country and say "See, success!" which again just leads to apathy. Its almost like there are no real solutions.
 
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