George Floyd Protest/Riots

[NashVol11]

So then you're choosing to ignore his message while advocating for CK's message. Both have meaning.

I'm not ignoring it. I fully understand it, and completely support the protestors in New Orleans calling him out even when he's their QB.

 

[Weezer]

...he has. Legal Defense Initiative, Know Your Rights Camp, donating over $1 million and I haven't even been following him all that closely. He's been showing up for black people. Several people I know have met him

Then fault lies on the media for not covering him. I've not seen him on talk shows, or working with his Congressperson , or organizing events like marches, or giving speeches. Where are the organized protests?

 

[Weezer]

Trying your very best to appease the people responsible for the wrongdoing and hoping they'll magically be nice to you one day doesn't particularly help spread a message either. People will ignore every uncomfortable conversation for as long as they can.

Ah, so now all white people are guilty. You do know that's bigotry, right?

 

[mr.checkerboards]

@Rasputin_Vol I know we've argued in here, but I read what you posted in the other thread and I have to say I agree with your lost post completely

 

[Weezer]

I'm not ignoring it. I fully understand it, and completely support the protestors in New Orleans calling him out even when he's their QB.

Hey, at least he didn't do it while on the job, which is exactly what CK was doing. He was basically protesting at work.

 

[NashVol11]

Ah, so now all white people are guilty. You do know that's bigotry, right?

Never said all white people are guilty, but the "less likely to listen" people are guilty of not really caring about the message, sure

 

[Weezer]

Never said all white people are guilty, but the "less likely to listen" people are guilty of not really caring about the message, sure

People are capable of caring about the message but still disagreeing with how he's delivering it. You don't spit on one group while demanding respect for another. That's asinine. You're as guilty of not caring as you accuse others of being.

 

[NashVol11]

Offending people doesn't help spread your message. Pissed off people are less likely to listen.

Said differently, if people are this ^ willfully unreachable, it's not my responsibility to cater to them. Probably still helps spread the message, though, because when they start throwing hissy fits, people can see just how much ignorance there really is

 

[NashVol11]

People are capable of caring about the message but still disagreeing with how he's delivering it. You don't spit on one group while demanding respect for another. That's asinine. You're as guilty of not caring as you accuse others of being.

I think I may actually disagree with this entirely. People who get caught up in methods or symbols over issues that actually matter are "caring" in an at-best halfhearted way, IMO

 

[Weezer]

You cannot expect people to respect your beliefs when you refuse to respect theirs in return. People have heard CK's message. People want change. CK has not heard the message in return. Please find another way to protest. People don't have the ability to wave a wand and make the change CK wants. Lord knows, most of us wish we could. But that's not the way this world works. But CK can, and should, try to find a way to protest that does not involve what many people see as disrespecting men and women who have fought and died for this country. Those lives deserve respect to.

 

[Weezer]

Said differently, if people are this ^ willfully unreachable, it's not my responsibility to cater to them. Probably still helps spread the message, though, because when they start throwing hissy fits, people can see just how much ignorance there really is

Yes, you're showing me just how much ignorance there is. No doubt of that.

 

[Weezer]

I think I may actually disagree with this entirely. People who get caught up in methods or symbols over issues that actually matter are "caring" in an at-best halfhearted way, IMO

So people who fought and died for this country don't matter? Wow. What was that about ignorance again?

 

[NashVol11]

You cannot expect people to respect your beliefs when you refuse to respect theirs in return. People have heard CK's message. People want change. CK has not heard the message in return. Please find another way to protest. People don't have the ability to wave a wand and make the change CK wants. Lord knows, most of us wish we could. But that's not the way this world works. But CK can, and should, try to find a way to protest that does not involve what many people see as disrespecting men and women who have fought and died for this country. Those lives deserve respect to.

"Hey, here's a problem with this country"
"No, say it the right way first, and THEN we might listen"

is not the mutual exchange of respect that you apparently think it is. People have said "find another way to protest" as a kneejerk response to just about every protest ever - MLK, Rosa Parks, all of it - and catering to those people is not some positive quality.

 

[NashVol11]

So people who fought and died for this country don't matter? Wow. What was that about ignorance again?

I hope you're not one of the posters lecturing people about victimhood, because this is one hell of a reach.

It's a flag, not a damn soldier's body. It's cloth. Kneeling in front of a flag during a song about slaves is having no impact whatsoever on "people who died for this country" just like people going to the bathroom or concessions doesn't

 

[Weezer]

"Hey, here's a problem with this country"
"No, say it the right way first, and THEN we might listen"

is not the mutual exchange of respect that you apparently think it is. People have said "find another way to protest" as a kneejerk response to just about every protest ever - MLK, Rosa Parks, all of it - and catering to those people is not some positive quality.

Holy fawk, you're dense. People KNOW there is a problem. CK was not pointing out some unknown thing. But people have no idea how to FIX the problem. It's easy to say there's a problem. It's a lot damn harder to fix the problem.

MLK, Rosa Parks, and others involved in the Civil Rights movement put in the work, they put in the blood, the sweat, and the tears. They fought for change. Comparing what CK has done to what they did is disrespecting what they went through.

 

[NashVol11]

"Our communities are under siege, and we need help," Jenkins said in one of the videos on Instagram. "And what you're telling us is don't ask for help that way. Ask for it a different way. I can't listen to it when you ask that way. We're done asking, Drew. And people who share your sentiments, who express those and push them throughout the world, the airwaves, are the problem.

Yep

 

[NashVol11]

Holy fawk, you're dense. People KNOW there is a problem. CK was not pointing out some unknown thing. But people have no idea how to FIX the problem. It's easy to say there's a problem. It's a lot damn harder to fix the problem.

MLK, Rosa Parks, and others involved in the Civil Rights movement put in the work, they put in the blood, the sweat, and the tears. They fought for change. Comparing what CK has done to what they did is disrespecting what they went through.

If people know there is a problem but they care less about racism than they do about our national song, I am completely fine with making them uncomfortable.

 

[Weezer]

I hope you're not one of the posters lecturing people about victimhood, because this is one hell of a reach.

It's a flag, not a damn soldier's body. It's cloth. Kneeling in front of a flag during a song about slaves is having no impact whatsoever on "people who died for this country" just like people going to the bathroom or concessions doesn't

It's the National Anthem, and it has meaning to many. Not sure how you've come to a conclusion that it's about slaves.

Like I said, you want people to respect your opinion, but you're unwilling to show the same respect. People can and do support both messages.

 

[DynaLo]

Anybody familiar with Maoist Theory and his rules for insurgencies or Lenin’s Vanguard Party and the three phases of each? Y’all might want to do some independent research of both of those and understand what you’re seeing happening now. Current events, heck events since 2015, have not been about what they appear to be or are portrayed to be.

Realize that distractions are blinding, guilt creates sympathy and emotions overpower logic.

I’m going to suggest that if you have it, clean it, lock it, load it. If you don’t have it, go buy it. You may not need it today, you may not need it this week, but you will eventually need it.

 

[NashVol11]

It's the National Anthem, and it has meaning to many. Not sure how you've come to a conclusion that it's about slaves.

Like I said, you want people to respect your opinion, but you're unwilling to show the same respect. People can and do support both messages.

So do I. I fully support the members of our military and am deeply grateful for their service. I just think that the ones opposing the protest because they're mad about the anthem are missing the point, or at least have priorities with which I strongly disagree.

"About" slaves is too far, but it does have this in it:

No refuge could save the hireling & slave/

From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave:/

And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave/

O’er the land of the free & the home of the brave.

 

[Weezer]

If people know there is a problem but they care less about racism than they do about our national song, I am completely fine with making them uncomfortable.

People speak up and denounce racism ALL the time. It has nothing to do with caring about one message more than the other. Both have meaning. But you seem to be under the belief that when a racist act happens, it must have been condoned. Pardon my French, but that's idiocy. Hell, even in this case, we're not sure if racism was in play or if we're just dealing with bad cops. There is no solution where <poof> all the idiots are gone.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Anybody familiar with Maoist Theory and his rules for insurgencies or Lenin’s Vanguard Party and the three phases of each? Y’all might want to do some independent research of both of those and understand what you’re seeing happening now. Current events, heck events since 2015, have not been about what they appear to be or are portrayed to be.

Realize that distractions are blinding, guilt creates sympathy and emotions overpower logic.

I’m going to suggest that if you have it, clean it, lock it, load it. If you don’t have it, go buy it. You may not need it today, you may not need it this week, but you will eventually need it.

Its sad that its come to this in America, I haven't heard of those particular theories, but I have of others that talk about similar ideas I think

 

[Bigun]

My neighbor boarded at McCallie in the mid-late 90's. He got robbed downtown at gunpoint. He came back home and showed me a pellet gun he had bought. I asked what it was for. He said the next time someone points a gun at me I'll be ready. I said dude then they would just kill you.

I got to use the pellet gun while he was away at school.

Absolutely amazed that McCallie is such a pristine campus and school facilities and right in the heart of the worst places in Chattanooga.

 

[Weezer]

So do I. I fully support the members of our military and am deeply grateful for their service. I just think that the ones opposing the protest because they're mad about the anthem are missing the point, or at least have priorities with which I strongly disagree.

"About" slaves is too far, but it does have this in it:

People can value both. You catch more flies with honey. CK could have done so many other things to spread his message. I honestly think he wasted his potential to be a leader. And it's a shame, because this movement could really use a sensible leader right now.

 

[C-south]

If people know there is a problem but they care less about racism than they do about our national song, I am completely fine with making them uncomfortable.

Lol. Nobody is uncomfortable. The issues you cry about has nothing to do with racism as they affect everyone. I guess we can agree that no matter what is done nothing will ever be enough.