George Floyd Protest/Riots

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mr.checkerboards said:
Considering I'm not a police officer I don't know. Haven't been through their training
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Fair enough. I agree that third degree would be the more appropriate charge, and easier to prove. I wonder if it will be an all or nothing prosecution or if lesser charges will be allowed to be considered? Truthfully, I'm not even sure how you get an impartial jury at this point.
 
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NCFisher said:
I read that indifference would permit the murder 3 charge, but not 2 which intent to kill must be proven. If that's the case, he should walk and I'll be happy he does. We don't overcharge and overconvict because of emotions; that isn't rule of law.
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There are variations of murder 2 based on what I've read, and intent is not always needed. I do think murder 3 would be more appropriate and easier to prove. I would NOT be happy if he walks, even if he is overcharged. That's ludicrous.
 
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Weezer said:
Fair enough. I agree that third degree would be the more appropriate charge, and easier to prove. I wonder if it will be an all or nothing prosecution or if lesser charges will be allowed to be considered? Truthfully, I'm not even sure how you get an impartial jury at this point.
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Thats me. Im hoping they can just get a plea on 3rd and end this
 
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rjd970 said:
The cop in this video was a bigger POS than Chauvin and it isn’t close. I’m sorry, that is just the way it is. We aren’t talking about a knee to the neck, this was several rounds fired into a guy on the ground after the cop toyed with him. This guy was killed literally trying to do everything he could to comply.

This police militarization is out of control and these special forces wannabees need to have their F’n toys taken away until they can get their egos in check.
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Yes, except he still reached behind his back again for no rational reason, after being told twice he'd be shot if he did.

I don't think he toyed with him. The cop is either following overly complicated protocol in such a situation (not his fault) or is confused himself as to handle the collar. He could have popped the guy the first time his hands went behind his back if he intended to kill him.

There has to be procedural flexibility to allow for someone going brain-dead under the pressure of staring at a gun barrel, a recognition that we may be dealing with someone who is either not too intelligent, confused, or perhaps even handicapped. He could have been arrested while lying flat, which makes the shooting unacceptable.
 
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Weezer said:
There are variations of murder 2 based on what I've read, and intent is not always needed. I do think murder 3 would be more appropriate and easier to prove. I would NOT be happy if he walks, even if he is overcharged. That's ludicrous.
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If you think this is bad, if he walks or gets probation because the DA screwed up these charges then these riots will seem like a weekend at the beach.
 
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Weezer said:
There are variations of murder 2 based on what I've read, and intent is not always needed. I do think murder 3 would be more appropriate and easier to prove. I would NOT be happy if he walks, even if he is overcharged. That's ludicrous.
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The family is demanding 1st degree.

No, it isn't ludicrous if you give a cent about rule of law. We don't allow families and rioters to determine what justice someone gets; we have laws for that. You're letting emotion cloud your judgment. We can't toss the justice system over one death.
 
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NYC looters seen escaping in Rolls-Royce SUV worth at least $330,000

Looters have been captured on video piling into a Rolls-Royce SUV worth at least $330,000 after ransacking a store in New York City.



Car and Driver magazine said the latest edition of the Rolls-Royce Cullinan SUV in the video, which it described as “the epitome of wealth, incomparable interior comfort, quick and quiet operation,” is for sale starting at $332,750.

Carla Murphy, a New York City resident who witnessed some of the widespread looting in the area Monday night, told ABC News that “cars would drive up, let off the looters, unload power tools and suitcases and then the cars would drive away.”

"Then the cars would come back pick them up and then drive off to the next spot. They seemed to know exactly where they were going,” she added. “Some of the people were local, but there were a lot of out-of-towners."


NYC looters seen escaping in Rolls-Royce SUV worth at least $330,000
 
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rjd970 said:
If you think this is bad, if he walks or gets probation because the DA screwed up these charges then these riots will seem like a weekend at the beach.
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I think it's interesting the charges have ended up in the hands of Ellison. He's the one that was accused of sexual assault that Dems went all quiet over, I believe during the Kavanaugh hearings.
 
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NCFisher said:
Yes, except he still reached behind his back again for no rational reason, after being told twice he'd be shot if he did.

I don't think he toyed with him. The cop is either following overly complicated protocol in such a situation (not his fault) or is confused himself as to handle the collar. He could have popped the guy the first time his hands went behind his back if he intended to kill him.

There has to be procedural flexibility to allow for someone going brain-dead under the pressure of staring at a gun barrel, a recognition that we may be dealing with someone who is either not too intelligent, confused, or perhaps even handicapped. He could have been arrested while lying flat, which makes the shooting unacceptable.
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The shoulder shrug and explaining away the circumstance due to procedural complications or confused suspects would be ok if the cost wasn’t so high. The simple fact is somebody died because there was an idiot pulling the trigger. Not saying you are doing this, but not calling this exactly what it is concerning.

He fired what, like 5 rounds into this guy? Personally, I don’t see how any rational, intelligent person can watch that video and not come away thinking this cop was just itching to shoot this guy, or somebody. Even his gun had as such tattooed on it.
 
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NCFisher said:
The family is demanding 1st degree.

No, it isn't ludicrous if you give a cent about rule of law. We don't allow families and rioters to determine what justice someone gets; we have laws for that. You're letting emotion cloud your judgment. We can't toss the justice system over one death.
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I'm not letting emotion cloud my judgement. I've stated I think third degree is a more appropriate charge. At the same time, based on what I've read, and if I'm interpreting it correctly, there is a case for second degree. I agree it's hard to prove, which is another reason I would side with third degree, but it's not outrageously out of the realm of possibility. First degree is.
 
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Black Lives Matter plans ARMED 'peace officers' in 'WAR on police,' NY leader says


The Black Lives Matter movement will develop an armed branch of “peace officers” to combat police brutality in black communities during the so-called “war on police,” according to one of its leaders.

Protests broke out across the country following the death of unarmed Minneapolis black man George Floyd while in police custody, bringing the BLM movement back into national focus. In an interview with the Daily Mail, BLM New York chapter Chairman Hawk Newsome described how the group plans to follow in the footsteps of the Black Panthers Party by matching fire with fire – when necessary.

“We have black Special Forces officers advising us, and we will teach and train people in our communities, the Black Opts department of Black Opportunities,” Newsome said.

“We pattern ourselves after the Black Panthers, after the Nation of Islam, we believe that we need an arm to defend ourselves,” Newsome explained. “We will build and train peace officers to keep the peace in our communities, to defend our communities, to keep our communities safe.”

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RDU VOL#14 said:
He should’ve been smarter than to say that given the temperature of the room right now. That said, it’s gonna be apology season for for the foreseeable future. It’s open season for anyone that has ever said or done anything that could possibly be construed as racist.
We were already getting to a place where late night comedians were being forced to apologize for 20 year old SNL skits that weren’t even racist. Now it’s going to be at an all time level of eggshell tip toeing. Hell Drew Brees is already being cancelled after he gave his views on kneeling today and he’s done more for the black community of New Orleans than just about anybody. This sadly is going to be exploited more and more by opportunists and we’re only a week since George Floyd died at the hands of a POS cop.
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I prefer people be honest. Much more useful in solving problems. Also, he didnt even come close to saying anything wrong.
 
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Weezer said:
I'm not letting emotion cloud my judgement. I've stated I think third degree is a more appropriate charge. At the same time, based on what I've read, and if I'm interpreting it correctly, there is a case for second degree. I agree it's hard to prove, which is another reason I would side with third degree, but it's not outrageously out of the realm of possibility. First degree is.
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To be clear, no one thinks he should walk or wants it; I don't. But I'd much rather ANYone walk than be convicted on an overzealous charge that doesn't fit the crime simply because mob demands it. That's breaking the system.
 
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NCFisher said:
To be clear, no one thinks he should walk or wants it; I don't. But I'd much rather ANYone walk than be convicted on an overzealous charge that doesn't fit the crime simply because mob demands it. That's breaking the system.
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This 100%. Ive said from the jump he should be charged, but make sure the charges are appropriate
 
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NCFisher said:
To be clear, no one thinks he should walk or wants it; I don't. But I'd much rather ANYone walk than be convicted on an overzealous charge that doesn't fit the crime simply because mob demands it. That's breaking the system.
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I don't disagree, but I also don't think second degree is as overzealous a charge as you do. Again, I think third degree more appropriate, but don't see second degree as completely out of reach. Hopefully third degree will be considered as a lesser charge.
 
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