The Last Dance - A 10-PART DOCUMENTARY EVENT

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zjcvols said:
How many playoff series did MJ win before Phil?

Phil’s not the greatest coach ever but he was still an important cog in those teams.
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MJ didn't have much around him and then he had a wealth of riches around him. It makes it hard to know who is responsible for what. He never made a finals without Phil. He never made an ECF without Pip. He never made an ECF without a great PF.
 
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The scene with Jordan winning #4 and him crying in Father’s Day was the best scene so far. So good
 
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GAVol said:
When did the Superteam stuff really start? Garnett/Allen/Pierce to the Celtics?
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Do you mean player-created super teams? Ray Ray and KG got traded there, and there were super teams constructed by owners/GM's throughout NBA history. The Celtics in the 60's were a super team. The Lakers and Celtics in the 80's. The Bulls in the 90's.

As far as player-created, the 1997 Rockets with Barkley joining Clyde and Hakeem were the first. They all made the 1996 all-star team and then joined forces the next year. They were kinda old but got beat by an old Jazz team, so that's not really an excuse.

I would also accept the '95 Magic as an answer when Grant went there. Penny hadn't been an all-star yet, but it was clear after his rookie year that he was well on his way.

MJ didn't face the Rockets and he beat the Magic with Grant missing 75% of the series, so he never defeated a super team.

Edit: actually, I would call the Pistons a super team (Zeke, Dumars, Rodman), but Zeke was pretty banged up in 1991 and was still missing games in the playoffs and Lambeer and Johnson were old. We can count it, I suppose.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Do you mean player-created super teams? 1997 Rockets, with Barkley joining Clyde and Hakeem. They all made the 1996 all-star team and then joined forces the next year.

I would also accept the '95 Magic as an answer when Grant went there. Penny hadn't been an all-star yet, but it was clear after his rookie year that he was well on his way.

There were super teams constructed by owners/GM's. Celtics in the 60's were a super team. The Lakers and Celtics in the 80's. The Bulls in the 90's.
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The financial rules have made it easier now, but I was thinking back to how teams used free agency to go for it. The Suns tried it to some degree in the 90s with Barkley and Danny Manning. Then the Rockets did it with aging Barkley and Clyde in the late 90s. But I don't remember free agents coordinating until the Lakers and Celtics in the 2000s.
 
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GAVol said:
The financial rules have made it easier now, but I was thinking back to how teams used free agency to go for it. The Suns tried it to some degree in the 90s with Barkley and Danny Manning. Then the Rockets did it with aging Barkley and Clyde in the late 90s. But I don't remember free agents coordinating until the Lakers and Celtics in the 2000s.
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I would have said the Rockets as well.
 
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TBrown said:
This is a modern NBA PF lifting HEAVY. Incredible Hulk vs the 80s-90s dweebs

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You've convinced me. Clarke's lifting what he has at his house vs. MJ was lifting (with gloves and a spotter) what was available at the gym. SAD!
 
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n_huffhines said:
You've convinced me. Clarke's lifting what he has at his house vs. MJ was lifting (with gloves and a spotter) what was available at the gym. SAD!
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They’re the same size and one is a PF in today’s hulking, super mega physically evolved NBA.

Draymond Greens short fat ass played C in a “Death Star” lineup like last week.
 
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TBrown said:
They’re the same size and one is a PF in today’s hulking, super mega physically evolved NBA.

Draymond Greens short fat ass played C in a “Death Star” lineup like last week.
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Yeah, and I've said from the beginning that the bigs are generally smaller now so they can switch onto Jordan types and actually defend them 25' from the basket.
 
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Van Lathan was making an interesting observation about MJ's getting emotional when he said he sacrificed so much and never asked his teammates to do anything he wasn't willing to do. His interpretation is that MJ's one regret is that he wasn't there for his kids. They've barely even been covered in the documentary and the consensus is that he wasn't around during their childhoods. He contrasted that with Lebron, who doesn't know his Dad, and how Lebron is such a family man while MJ had this incredible relationship with his Father, but didn't have that with his kids.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Who would argue that MJ is a better passer than somebody who gets 40% more assists per game? LOL
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Stop with the percentage BS trying to make it look like L3-6ron averages a lot more assists.

LBJ averages 2 more per game for his career. If he is such a great passer and always looks to pass while Mike is a gunner who didn't why is there not a larger discrepancy?

He is no Magic.

Mike was a more impactful passer. He made plays when it counted. Lebron pads stats in blowout wins and losses.

You never answered my question earlier in the thread. What non-pg had the highest assists average in an NBA Finals?

Has Lebron ever averaged 30 8 and 8?

When Mike played pg he AVERAGED a triple double. He could pass just as well or better. Getting assists and rebounds for the stat sheet was never his focus like Lebron. Winning was.
 
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k-town_king said:
Stop with the percentage BS trying to make it look like L3-6ron averages a lot more assists.

LBJ averages 2 more per game for his career. If he is such a great passer and always looks to pass while Mike is a gunner who didn't why is there not a larger discrepancy?

He is no Magic.

Mike was a more impactful passer. He made plays when it counted. Lebron pads stats in blowout wins and losses.

You never answered my question earlier in the thread. What non-pg had the highest assists average in an NBA Finals?

Has Lebron ever averaged 30 8 and 8?

When Mike played pg he AVERAGED a triple double. He could pass just as well or better. Getting assists and rebounds for the stat sheet was never his focus like Lebron. Winning was.
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Sorry numbers make your head hurt. Not sure if you know wtf's going on in the modern NBA but it's become harder to rack up assists. MJ's best season was 8 apg and that was 9th in the league and three guys averaged 12 apg that year. Lebron led the league with 10.6 apg and nobody else did 9.5. It takes an incredibly special type of stupid to make the case that MJ was a better passer.

You're trying to cherry pick a highlight video, an 11 game stretch, and one finals. I can cherry pick for Lebron too. He averaged a triple double in a finals. But i don't because it's a dumb point. I don't have to cherry pick bc the truth is on my side. MJ had the ball all the ******* time. To pretend he would've had these incredible apg numbers if he were technically listed as "pg" is stupid. The ball was always in his hands. MJ's usage was higher than Lebron's is, so there goes that BS.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Sorry numbers make your head hurt. Not sure if you know wtf's going on in the modern NBA but it's become harder to rack up assists. MJ's best season was 8 apg and that was 9th in the league and three guys averaged 12 apg that year. Lebron led the league with 10.6 apg and nobody else did 9.5. It takes an incredibly special type of stupid to make the case that MJ was a better passer.

You're trying to cherry pick a highlight video, an 11 game stretch, and one finals. I can cherry pick for Lebron too. He averaged a triple double in a finals. But i don't because it's a dumb point. I don't have to cherry pick bc the truth is on my side. MJ had the ball all the ******* time. To pretend he would've had these incredible apg numbers if he were technically listed as "pg" is stupid. The ball was always in his hands. MJ's usage was higher than Lebron's is, so there goes that BS.
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lol.

Sgs got points, pgs got assist in his time.

If Lebron played then he would have been a pf like Karl Malone and averaged about 4 apg. Or he would have been a more athletic Magic playing pg with less passing and ball-handling ability.

MJ played within the offense. If he actually had the ball initiating the offense like Lebron all the time or playing pg he would have had a few season with 10+ apg. It isn't a question of being listed at a different spot but changing style of play to fit the position or era.

Its easy to rack up stats now. Look at triple doubles.
 
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So this is the "Greatest Team Ever" Lebron lovers like to bring up?

LMAO
 
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Pippen without MJ must include late career numbers to be that low. He averaged like 19-20 PPG while MJ played baseball.
 
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95 Vol Alum said:
Pippen without MJ must include late career numbers to be that low. He averaged like 19-20 PPG while MJ played baseball.
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Of course. Just like MJs stats include his Wizard years.

Pip was never a scorer though. 4 20 ppg seasons. High of 22 even with Mike out.

His career high after Mike was 14.5 ppg after scoring 19 the year before. Mike really made Scottie. He would have been a Michael Finley/ Eddie Jones without Mike.
 
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