Latest Coronavirus - Yikes

[Wireless1]

He have lost our minds. Trump is such a good Republican...always ready with a few billions to throw at a problem.

NY transit sanitation is a NY problem.

Yes but sending funds to address specific problems shows he's willing to help, but don't come asking for money to bail out your stupid pre-virus policies.
His last line "Spend it wisely" means were looking at you

 

[allvol123]

Keep it shut down just to be safe #saferathome #shelterinplace #letgovernmenttakeallyourrights

Knox County's last death was 16 days ago and was 87 years old. The hospitals as of this morning had 2 covid patients.

 

[0nelilreb]

Did you forget we're all in this together? NY keeps their taxes low and we just need to chip in a few bucks

Speak for yourself , I’ve said from the beginning to brick up all exits leaving NYC .

 

[Wireless1]

We like testing data because it is somewhat more real-time. But, it is incredibly prone to what you're describing. The implication is that cases were even higher back when we were testing lower, assuming that cases are coming down now with social distancing (which might not be true everywhere). So, it's useful to know where we've been vs. where we are so we know what to expect for hospitalizations, deaths, etc. Deaths are a pretty solid measure, but it is a slow data feed. Percent positive of total tests is becoming a better measure I think - but IMO you need to remove all hotspot testing in places that can't participate in community spread (like prisons) when you do that math.

I agree there needs to be general population statistics and institutional statistics......and make them retroactive.

 

[volbeast33]

There is always 3 sides to a story. The rights, the left's and the truth is somewhere in between. It's politics.

Yeah I don’t trust any of them which is why I consider myself independent but I am having a hard time reading some of these things Democrat’s are trying to push through.

 

[luthervol]

Found a local source with quotes.
Governor Inslee lays out statewide contact tracing plan for COVID-19 - Lynnwood Times
So not only will there be Brown Shirts, but there will also be government officials checking everyday on the infected to make sure they have what they need...

I'll believe that when me **** turns purple and smells of rainbow sherbert.

Also the entire house is locked down if one person sick. No one gets out until all test negative at the same time.

@luthervol you still comfortable with your "greater good"?

This is at least restrictions on the 1a, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, and 9th.

1a. No right to assemble if locked up.
4th. No search or seizure without warrant. I dont see judges issuing any warrants for house arrest.
5th. Definitely depriving liberty without a conviction. You have to prove your innocence, instead of the government proving your guilt.
6th. No trials provided.
8th. This is definitely cruel and unusual punishment. Especially with no court case.
9th. Pretty much everything is being violated about basic human rights here.

And that isnt even considering in 2A issues that also come up in Washignton.

Of course. And it would be for the "greater good" if Inslee gets and follows some better advice.

 

[LouderVol]

Almost 500,000 people live in Knox County. SMH.

1 per 100,000.

End Helter Shelter!!!

And we ruined people's lives for this.

 

[luthervol]

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All that's missing is a little Covid circle on his forehead.

 

[volfanjustin]

Knox County's last death was 16 days ago and was 87 years old. The hospitals as of this morning had 2 covid patients.

that doesnt sound "overrun" to me like Fauci and the rest of the fraud "experts" told us

 

[McDad]

And we ruined people's lives for this.

This may be a darker blight on American history than Japanese internment camps under FDR.

 

[LouderVol]

Of course. And it would be for the "greater good" if Inslee gets and follows some better advice.

Wait, you are comfortable with them locking people up, because it's the greater good. But you believe he still needs an even greater greater good? That would suggest you arent comfortable with it.

You are fine starting with the base assumption that anything deemed to help overrides our rights? We will just refine that help as we go to give people back their rights later, maybe. You know instead of starting with the assumption they are innocent and have all their rights and it's the governments job to prove otherwise before restricting?

You are destroying any type of argument against any type of bigotry. You are fine just assuming the worst and making the individual prove otherwise to regain rights.

This whole thing is disgusting.

 

[LouderVol]

This may be a darker blight on American history than Japanese internment camps under FDR.

If the Washington stuff gets more widespread it's going to be on par. Depending on how it's actually handled it may end up worse, we will just have to see.

 

[volbeast33]

that doesnt sound "overrun" to me like Fauci and the rest of the fraud "experts" told us

It still cracks me up that they were trying to covert the expo center into a covid unit.

 

[Septic]

And we ruined people's lives for this.

Thanks Obama.

 

[LouderVol]

I am wondering what powers or authorities the Brown Shirts are being given.

Is it just any positive test has to go to them and then they get to police the sickness how they seem fit? If so that's terrifying.

I am not seeing a whole lot of justification or explanation from the governor how these "contact tracers" will work. They are going to have to have some extrajudicial powers to be able to be "effective".

Take my nopes. Take all my nopes.

 

[allvol123]

Thanks Obama.

I believe Democrat governors are showing to be the most oppressive.

 

[TennTradition]

that doesnt sound "overrun" to me like Fauci and the rest of the fraud "experts" told us

What happened vs. what would have happened is a factor here. They said hospitals will become over-run, and they would have (and sounds like some were in NYC area) ..... BUT, that doesn't mean they would have everywhere. Some of this was a factor of learning what level of hospitalization would be required - and that was originally over-estimated. That was an error. But the other hand is that the mitigation measures appear to have turned this around, and so it's hard to take current numbers and say hey you were wrong when you said to shut down. (But it does make a great case that it is past time to start opening up these areas)

As for the did we need to shut down everywhere - I think that message was never explored in full, at least not in the public discourse that the policy makers were willing to have. It was shut it all down. I think that is because the concern was if you let more rural areas remain going that it would cause the cities to just ignore it ..... or maybe it was just short-sighted. I do think we saw some of this in Texas though. The state kept looser restrictions over all but areas like Houston laid a decent hammer down and all the suburbs generally followed suit.

 

[luthervol]

Wait, you are comfortable with them locking people up, because it's the greater good. But you believe he still needs an even greater greater good? That would suggest you arent comfortable with it.

You are fine starting with the base assumption that anything deemed to help overrides our rights? We will just refine that help as we go to give people back their rights later, maybe. You know instead of starting with the assumption they are innocent and have all their rights and it's the governments job to prove otherwise before restricting?

You are destroying any type of argument against any type of bigotry. You are fine just assuming the worst and making the individual prove otherwise to regain rights.

This whole thing is disgusting.

There's so much wrong in your post I don't even know where to start.
I'll just go with the bolded.
Your base assumption of my base assumption is wrong.

 

[hog88]

That's very conspiracy-minded of you.

It's a very true statement.

Cuomo and Newsom don't face reelection until 2022, they can afford to play the game.

 

[TennTradition]

It still cracks me up that they were trying to covert the expo center into a covid unit.

Had they not shut down when they did I have no doubt they would have needed ICU overflow....whether they could have achieved that in their normal hospital rooms, just converted, I don't know. I think it is clear our initial estimates on how many hospitalizations there would be for every death we ultimately had were just too high.

 

[hog88]

Found a local source with quotes.
Governor Inslee lays out statewide contact tracing plan for COVID-19 - Lynnwood Times
So not only will there be Brown Shirts, but there will also be government officials checking everyday on the infected to make sure they have what they need...

I'll believe that when me **** turns purple and smells of rainbow sherbert.

Also the entire house is locked down if one person sick. No one gets out until all test negative at the same time.

@luthervol you still comfortable with your "greater good"?

This is at least restrictions on the 1a, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, and 9th.

1a. No right to assemble if locked up.
4th. No search or seizure without warrant. I dont see judges issuing any warrants for house arrest.
5th. Definitely depriving liberty without a conviction. You have to prove your innocence, instead of the government proving your guilt.
6th. No trials provided.
8th. This is definitely cruel and unusual punishment. Especially with no court case.
9th. Pretty much everything is being violated about basic human rights here.

And that isnt even considering in 2A issues that also come up in Washignton.

In my best Barney Fife voice.

"If society says thats ok then I'm all for it"

 

[Septic]

Knox County's last death was 16 days ago and was 87 years old. The hospitals as of this morning had 2 covid patients.

Do you think this is as of a result of the social distancing and shutdowns or would this have been the case irrespective of the governments distancing and shutdown mandates?

 

[rjd970]

You are acting like one

The cognitive dissonance here is fascinating.

I would also like to see an example of how utvolpj is acting like a socialist.

 

[37L1]

The cognitive dissonance here is fascinating.

I would also like to see an example of how utvolpj is acting like a socialist.

Pj is a libertarian. That's about is about as anti-social . . .(ist) as you can get.

 

[Matt2496]

This may be a darker blight on American history than Japanese internment camps under FDR.

History will not look kindly on the times in which we live.