To Protect and to Serve II

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Carl Pickens said:
I think a lot of us have similar experiences, but I try to separate those from other more courteous ones. Sometimes it’s hard though. I was at one of my daughter’s soccer games a few years back. Big rivalry game... kids were getting excited in front of the stands jumping up and down and yelling. A young militant looking cop told them to get back away from the field .... well.. a few minutes later a kid jumped up cheering and hit close to the sidelines.... nothing sinister at all. The cop chose to make a scene by yelling at the kid.... then belittled him in front of everyone ... it was so bad that I was compelled to intervene. I told him that’s enough, he’s just a kid and that I saw what he did.... he started to come at me and then several other parents spoke up and diffused it. It was nothing more than the cop wanting to intimidate the kid.... it was disgusting. I knew the kid and he’s not a troublemaker at all
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It is little things like that, especially at a time like this, that can tip a country over to tyranny.
If the cops feel that they are able to do whatever the hell they want to do just for the sake of enforcing some simple azz law, all of us are in trouble.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
It is little things like that, especially at a time like this, that can tip a country over to tyranny.
If the cops feel that they are able to do whatever the hell they want to do just for the sake of enforcing some simple azz law, all of us are in trouble.
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The guy was such an a-hole. When the other parents started giving him the business after I did he knew he’d shown his rear.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
So to follow up with this, you support the sovereign citizen beliefs?
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Well lets back up, because it is obvious that your definition of sovereign citizen is broad and my definition is more narrow.

My issue with you was automatically/kneejerk calling someone a sovereign citizen just based on them video taping and auditing the police.

In your mind, anyone spouting off about their Constitutional rights is a sovereign citizen. My definition would simply be a person that does not feel they should have to follow the laws of any jurisdiction... in other words, they are "sovereign".

Those are two totally different things.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Well lets back up, because it is obvious that your definition of sovereign citizen is broad and my definition is more narrow.

My issue with you was automatically/kneejerk calling someone a sovereign citizen just based on them video taping and auditing the police.

In your mind, anyone spouting off about their Constitutional rights is a sovereign citizen. My definition would simply be a person that does not feel they should have to follow the laws of any jurisdiction... in other words, they are "sovereign".

Those are two totally different things.
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What’s your definition of a sovereign citizen
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
What’s your definition of a sovereign citizen
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Damn, did you read what you quoted? I said it right there.


Rasputin_Vol said:
Well lets back up, because it is obvious that your definition of sovereign citizen is broad and my definition is more narrow.

My issue with you was automatically/kneejerk calling someone a sovereign citizen just based on them video taping and auditing the police.

In your mind, anyone spouting off about their Constitutional rights is a sovereign citizen. My definition would simply be a person that does not feel they should have to follow the laws of any jurisdiction... in other words, they are "sovereign".

Those are two totally different things.
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Rickyvol77 said:
Knew that was coming. You can’t violate the social media policy at your work
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Well here we go again. Laws and rules are written. There is always the discretion to enforce that particular law or rule.

Was it just and necessary them to enforce an arbitrary social media rule?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Well here we go again. Laws and rules are written. There is always the discretion to enforce that particular law or rule.

Was it just and necessary them to enforce an arbitrary social media rule?
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You can’t make political statements representing your department/place of business in uniform and in company property. You wouldn’t do it either
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
You can’t make political statements representing your department/place of business in uniform and in company property. You wouldn’t do it either
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You didn't answer the question. Was this worthy of being disciplined or fired? If anything, it is an uplifting message... its good for civilians to know that there are good cops out there.

Now the message we are being sent is good cops get fired. Bad cops get protected.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
You can’t make political statements representing your department/place of business in uniform and in company property. You wouldn’t do it either
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What happened to that "Thin Blue Line"? Where is Joe Gamaldi at and the Fraternal Order of Police to defend this guy? because we know that the FOP will defend cops that kill civilians.

 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I would be interested, but I probably would not be surprised at what you guys can do.
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Nah...you might actually get a kick out of this.

So, a year or so ago, I'm working traffic on the "I". FYI (and you know this, Ras), I don't hide. I sit on the side of the road in plain sight, and run LIDAR. So I get up there, and I'm getting 90+ for over an hour.

And then, all of a sudden, nothing. 77 is the best I can get. Right after that, a few of us meet for lunch at a sandwich shop, and I'm talking about it. There's a younger deputy with us...maybe a year on the road...good kid...and he starts laughing and says "Grandpa, you got Wazed."

I have no idea what he's talking about, so he teaches me. I'll be damned.

So I decide to turn it to my advantage. After that, I go sit on an overpass where I can be seen a mile away. Just sit there. Wait 15 minutes, then go sit on the shoulder a mile to the south; then on the overpass a mile south of that; then turn around and work the same route back north. Pull up Waze. There are like 20 "little blue pigs" on the exact route I just ran. And almost every vehicle out there is at 75 or less.

Not one wreck that day. Didn't write a single ticket after lunch. Don't care. Nobody died on my road.

I'd rather write 100 tickets than have to knock on one door, or make that phone call. Waze lets me let them know I am there, without having to get their autograph. I still make my stops, but now it tends to be more of the idiots who think they own the road, as opposed to those who are just trying to get there a little bit quicker.

Take your small victories when you can get them, Ras. Not all of us are robots.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Nah...you might actually get a kick out of this.

So, a year or so ago, I'm working traffic on the "I". FYI (and you know this, Ras), I don't hide. I sit on the side of the road in plain sight, and run LIDAR. So I get up there, and I'm getting 90+ for over an hour.

And then, all of a sudden, nothing. 77 is the best I can get. Right after that, a few of us meet for lunch at a sandwich shop, and I'm talking about it. There's a younger deputy with us...maybe a year on the road...good kid...and he starts laughing and says "Grandpa, you got Wazed."

I have no idea what he's talking about, so he teaches me. I'll be damned.

So I decide to turn it to my advantage. After that, I go sit on an overpass where I can be seen a mile away. Just sit there. Wait 15 minutes, then go sit on the shoulder a mile to the south; then on the overpass a mile south of that; then turn around and work the same route back north. Pull up Waze. There are like 20 "little blue pigs" on the exact route I just ran. And almost every vehicle out there is at 75 or less.

Not one wreck that day. Didn't write a single ticket after lunch. Don't care. Nobody died on my road.

I'd rather write 100 tickets than have to knock on one door, or make that phone call. Waze lets me let them know I am there, without having to get their autograph. I still make my stops, but now it tends to be more of the idiots who think they own the road, as opposed to those who are just trying to get there a little bit quicker.

Take your small victories when you can get them, Ras. Not all of us are robots.
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Oh, you've told this story earlier in the thread.

To Protect and to Serve II

I thought you were going to tell me something about tracking down the drivers or using it for tracing/recording travel of individuals during coronavirus or something.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You didn't answer the question. Was this worthy of being disciplined or fired? If anything, it is an uplifting message... its good for civilians to know that there are good cops out there.

Now the message we are being sent is good cops get fired. Bad cops get protected.
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He violated the social media policy and they asked him to take it down and he told them to F off. Try that with your boss. If he hadn’t posted in uniform in his cruiser it likely would’ve been ok.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
What happened to that "Thin Blue Line"? Where is Joe Gamaldi at and the Fraternal Order of Police to defend this guy? because we know that the FOP will defend cops that kill civilians.

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FOP is an organization that one pays dues in. That’s their job to defend police
 
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