Mike Leach (Texas Tech)

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BigPapaVol said:
No, No and No.
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Really? Why? You don't think the only thing holding him back is a great defense and comparable talent? What was Spurrier's accolades at Duke before he came to Florida? It's amazing what true talent can accomplish. Leach's offenses consistently put up 30-40 points with talent he has to develop because he can't recruit against the big boys in the conference. Crabtree was recruited by only one big school out of HS and that was at the DB position. This is the first year he has had anykind of defense worth putting on the field and they are sitting at 10-0. With the right talent to start with, and a lights out defense, there is no reason to believe he can't be really successful anywhere.
 
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I think the comparable talent is his problem. He has had plenty of time to improve recruiting and hasn't. He has had plenty of time to play D or hire that coordinator and hasn't.

The final no was off. If he could play awesome D and outrecruit everyone, then he could no doubt beat everyone.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
If he could play awesome D and outrecruit everyone, then he could no doubt beat everyone.
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:blink: 60% of the time it works everytime.

ps. have you ever seen lubbock? its like a desert of dirt, not sand, with a bunch of roads.

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Personally, I think Leach would do well in the SEC. Here are the things I notice about his coaching that TN lacks, and has lacked for several years now, that his team also has in common with other winning programs like AL for instance. His boys play 110% the whole game, they stick their tackles (no arm tackles), his RBs and WRs fight for added yards after initial contact instead of stepping out to avoid a hit or laying down, his QB has poise and discipline, his line knows how to hold a block, his WR work back to the QB, his DBs all play like Eric Berry etc. His boys play full tilt boogie football with reckless abandon and I haven't seen a Vols team do that in years with the exception of last years GA game. If you watch AL play you will see the same effort by their players which is all due to coaching. It has been my major gripe about Fulmer for a decade that our boys lacked fire and basic football form.

Think about this. Eric Berry is a phenomenal athlete no doubt but what is it that makes him special? It is that he plays every play like the game depended on it, he hits hard, he runs his tale off, he hustles and he doesn't make basic Pop Warner football errors. All of these things should be expected of every player, exceptional players do it without being coached or asked for it. Fulmer never got this from any player and coaches like Leach and Sabin do. A team that has all player hustling to play their best game every play is tough to be even when they are playing against better talent. Fulmer relied only on talent for his wins; coaches like Leach rely on sound football and talent.

I like Leach. I like his running game, his defense, his passing game and the way he gets the very most every team member has to offer play after play and that is what TN needs and that is what it takes to win games in a talent rich conference like the SEC. The question on Leach really is, can we pry him away from T Tech?
 
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I wonder how well Leach does at coaching his QB up



National rankings of Texas Tech's QB's (2000-present)

2000
#1 Kliff Kingsbury, Texas Tech 3412 yards

2001
#1 Kliff Kingsbury, Texas Tech 3502 yards

2002
#1 Kliff Kingsbury, Texas Tech 5017 yards

2003
#1 B.J. Symons, Texas Tech 5833 yards

2004
#1 Sonny Cumbie, Texas Tech 4742 yards

2005
#1 Cody Hodges, Texas Tech 4238 yards

2006
#2 Graham Harrell, Texas Tech 4555 yards

2007
#1 Graham Harrell, Texas Tech 5705 yards

2008
#1 Graham Harrell, Texas Tech 4077 yards (through 10 games)
 
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VolTx said:
I wonder how well Leach does at coaching his QB up



National rankings of Texas Tech's QB's (2000-present)

2000
#1 Kliff Kingsbury, Texas Tech 3412 yards

2001
#1 Kliff Kingsbury, Texas Tech 3502 yards

2002
#1 Kliff Kingsbury, Texas Tech 5017 yards

2003
#1 B.J. Symons, Texas Tech 5833 yards

2004
#1 Sonny Cumbie, Texas Tech 4742 yards

2005
#1 Cody Hodges, Texas Tech 4238 yards

2006
#2 Graham Harrell, Texas Tech 4555 yards

2007
#1 Graham Harrell, Texas Tech 5705 yards

2008
#1 Graham Harrell, Texas Tech 4077 yards (through 10 games)
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Name one that has been successful after college? Not exactly a good recruitng tool if you are a highly rated QB.
 
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VOLinthaATL said:
Name one that has been successful after college? Not exactly a good recruitng tool if you are a highly rated QB.
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you obviously missed the point

not a single damn one has been successful after they led the NCAA in passing


Harrell's been the first QB recruit at Tech who was highly recruited elsewhere and as of 11/12/08, he's the Heisman leader, therefore the only highly recruited QB he's landed is a Heisman leader on the #2 ranked team.

Yeah, that would surely repel a QB recruit
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I have been to Lubbock. You been to Auburn? Columbus? Columbia? Baton Rouge?
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yes to all.. most of those places are pretty steep in tradition as far as football. i wouldn't even begin to compare south carolina and what they are putting on the field to tech's success.
 
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so to summarize:

Mike Leach taking a crappy program to 9 straight bowls is a sign of his crappyness as a football coach

Mike Leach turning 5 straight quarterbacks into NCAA leaders and record breakers will be a big turn off to prospects


if he wins the national championship, we'll surely know that he's a turd of a coach
 
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VolTx said:
so to summarize:

Mike Leach taking a crappy program to 9 straight bowls is a sign of his crappyness as a football coach

Check their records before he got there. You'll find there not much different.

Mike Leach turning 5 straight quarterbacks into NCAA leaders and record breakers will be a big turn off to prospects

Ever heard the term system QB? You know like, Timmy Chang, Colt Brennan, Kliff Kingsbury? How did their huge number shelp them beyond the college game?

if he wins the national championship, we'll surely know that he's a turd of a coach

You won;t have to worry about this after they get spanked in Norman next week.
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Next!
 
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VolTx said:
you obviously missed the point

not a single damn one has been successful after they led the NCAA in passing


Harrell's been the first QB recruit at Tech who was highly recruited elsewhere and as of 11/12/08, he's the Heisman leader, therefore the only highly recruited QB he's landed is a Heisman leader on the #2 ranked team.

Yeah, that would surely repel a QB recruit
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Do you think Jason White and Troy Smith would trade their heisman trophy's for Peyton Mannings NFL career?
 
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VOLinthaATL said:
Name one that has been successful after college? Not exactly a good recruitng tool if you are a highly rated QB.
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That is just a plain silly thing to concern yourself with. The vast majority of all college quarterbacks or football players in general never go pro. Whether a kid goes pro out of college depends on your schools ability to get a player exposure. TN offers tons of exposure and sends many players to pro careers. But beyond that, as far as success in coaching goes, you read the numbers all wrong. It isn't that his QBs didn't go pro or have great success as a pro; IT IS that he got the most out of that college QB while at Texas Tech. The college record books are full of QBs that were great college QBs but just weren't pro material for one reason or another. It does not matter to me whether a kid has potential to be an All Pro QB. It matters to me how well he can play in our program. If the coach gets him to play well in our program, then with the exposure the kid will get by playing at TN will put him in contention for a pro career if pro scouts believe he is a pro QB. If all you want is to be a launching pad for QBs like BYU, your comment makes sense. If you want to win championships, then you aren't recruiting kids solely for their ability to play beyond college. You are recruiting for kids that will be exceptional in your program. That is how you recruit and win championships.
 
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TennThumper said:
That is just a plain silly thing to concern yourself with. The vast majority of all college quarterbacks or football players in general never go pro. Whether a kid goes pro out of college depends on your schools ability to get a player exposure. TN offers tons of exposure and sends many players to pro careers. But beyond that, as far as success in coaching goes, you read the numbers all wrong. It isn't that his QBs didn't go pro; IT IS that he got the most out of that college QB while at Texas Tech. The college record books are full of QBs that were great college QBs but just weren't pro material for one reason or another. It does not matter to me whether a kid has potential to be an All Pro QB. It matters to me how well he can play in our program. If the coach gets him to play well in our program, then with the exposure the kid will get by playing at TN will put him in contention for a pro career if pro scouts believe he is a pro QB. If all you want is to be a launching pad for QBs like BYU, your comment makes sense. If you want to win championships, then you aren't recruiting kids solely for their ability to play beyond college. You are recruiting for kids that will be exceptional in your program. That is how you recruit and win championships.
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In the SEC you have to have elite talent to compete. The do more with less may work in other conferences but it's not working here. See Hawaii's game against Georgia last year as an example.
 
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TennThumper said:
That is just a plain silly thing to concern yourself with. The vast majority of all college quarterbacks or football players in general never go pro. Whether a kid goes pro out of college depends on your schools ability to get a player exposure. TN offers tons of exposure and sends many players to pro careers. But beyond that, as far as success in coaching goes, you read the numbers all wrong. It isn't that his QBs didn't go pro; IT IS that he got the most out of that college QB while at Texas Tech. The college record books are full of QBs that were great college QBs but just weren't pro material for one reason or another. It does not matter to me whether a kid has potential to be an All Pro QB. It matters to me how well he can play in our program. If the coach gets him to play well in our program, then with the exposure the kid will get by playing at TN will put him in contention for a pro career if pro scouts believe he is a pro QB. If all you want is to be a launching pad for QBs like BYU, your comment makes sense. If you want to win championships, then you aren't recruiting kids solely for their ability to play beyond college. You are recruiting for kids that will be exceptional in your program. That is how you recruit and win championships.
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I guess a top prospect out of HS would never give consideration to which school might prepare him for a pro career. That would be insane.:crazy:
 
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VOLinthaATL said:
Do you think Jason White and Troy Smith would trade their heisman trophy's for Peyton Mannings NFL career?
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I pretty sure we're all wanting a coach who gets results while the players are actually still enrolled in school

last time I checked, the scoreboard doesn't spot you 10 points because your program had a guy in the 90's make the Pro Bowl


brilliant reasoning
 
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He is a horrible recruiter for a reason. His schemes are gimmicky. Effective at times, but gimmicky. Very few highly touted prospects want to come into a system that will give them 0 help at being successful at the next level.
 
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VolTx said:
I pretty sure we're all wanting a coach who gets results while the players are actually still enrolled in school

last time I checked, the scoreboard doesn't spot you 10 points because your program had a guy in the 90's make the Pro Bowl


brilliant reasoning
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Misguided.
 
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to further summarize:

Coaching up an inferior player to the level of an NCAA record breaker is the sign of a poor coaching

Loosing games with players who go on to stellar NFL careers is the ultimate goal


odd reasoning, but I think I'm getting the hang of it here
 
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