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#77
#77
Rememberthe1990s said:
My point. Hes a good round 2 guy but you cant take that chance with a top 5 pick. You take the sure thing. If you are wrong, then you set your franchise back potentially for years.
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I respectfully disagree. I know we don’t like him because of his school, but I think Tua was a potential #1 overall pick without the injuries. It was observable watching him play and it’s observable with stats (I believe he has the record for QB efficiency for a career by a mile). If his medical checks were as sterling as reported, and considering he got taken 5th you’d think they would’ve been, then I say it’s a good pick. Better to risk it with Tua who could be an All-Pro if he’s healthy than with Herbert who sails 30% of his passes ten yards above his receivers
 
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#78
#78
SockeyeVol said:
These UDFAs: do they get a fixed slot amount of $$ to sign? It's interesting how immediate the signings were, so I suspect it's a flat rate.

I also wonder how much dropoff there is between being drafted 7th round and being a UFDA. Hoping our guys let a little scratch after all that work.
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It's sometimes better to be an UDFA vs. drafted in the late rounds. UFDA's are free to sign with any team that offers them vs. a team drafting you.
 
#80
#80
Someone said Giants might be interested in Bituli. That actually sounds like his best chance. One of their ILBs last year was a 4th round pick out of Wisconsin that wasn't getting it done and he was supposed to be run stuffer. Plus Bituli was a good special teams player, that should at least get him a look. Just can't believe he won't at least get a shot at camp with someone.
 
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#81
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VFL49er said:
I respectfully disagree. I know we don’t like him because of his school, but I think Tua was a potential #1 overall pick without the injuries. It was observable watching him play and it’s observable with stats (I believe he has the record for QB efficiency for a career by a mile). If his medical checks were as sterling as reported, and considering he got taken 5th you’d think they would’ve been, then I say it’s a good pick. Better to risk it with Tua who could be an All-Pro if he’s healthy than with Herbert who sails 30% of his passes ten yards above his receivers
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I would have taken neither. The ravens, Seahawks (early when Wilson was just above average), Patriots first 2 super bowls (with a young Brady who was just game manager type) proved you can win with defense and a game manager at QB. Unless I had a Peyton with no questions, then I'm building my team differently. I would draft a qb with mid rounders to late picks hoping I strike gold with a kid I liked. So your argument is flawed because you think I'd take a qb. I'm taking a sure fire NFL player that I know will play for me for at least 10 years barring some kind of freak injury or circumstance. But hey, most people believe you have to have a qb and that solves all. I think until you find that guy, take the sure thing not a chance. So I would have taken Tua second round if there or late first. But a top 10 pick I'm taking sure thing. Also, I'm sure those teams have more holes than qb. So fill those holes and build around a developmental qb.

Also, you cant take Tua's injury history out of it. He has shown he cant play a whole season and he cant play through an injury. So I'm not willing to gamble my job on a guy who may play 4 to 8 games year. Give me the kid from OSU with my top pick. He guarantees my defense has a lockdown pass rusher for all 16 games.
 
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#82
#82
Weezer said:
Rudy didn't have the physical capabilities of JJ. Stop being obtuse.
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You are the one throwing around things like “junkyard dog”. And you are totally right, Rudy Ruddinger did not have the physical talents of a Jennings, the same as Jennings doesn’t have those of some of the names I have seen in this post, like, Rice, Fitzgerald, Bolden, etc.
 
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#83
#83
Nasavol said:
You are the one throwing around things like “junkyard dog”. And you are totally right, Rudy Ruddinger did not hav3 the phyytalents of a Jennings, the same as Jennings doesn’t have those of some of the names I have seen in this post, like, Rice, Fitzgerald, Bolden, etc.
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Have you watched JJ play? I'm beginning to think you haven't. He may not be the superstar, but he's as good or better than many WRs in the NFL. Remember, most teams carry at least 6 WRs on the roster.
 
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Weezer said:
Have you watched JJ play? I'm beginning to think you haven't. He may not be the superstar, but he's as good or better than many WRs in the NFL. Remember, most teams carry at least 6 WRs on the roster.
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I’ve said all along I think he will make a good special teams player. I question whether you have seen him play, when I see posts talking about his great hands, he had quite a few drops, that is one of the knocks on him. Some on here are delusional, a good college player doesn’t necessarily mean a good NFL player. Sorry that hurts your feelings. I’m done with this conversation with you.
 
#85
#85
tennesseepride84 said:
How does a 1st team all sec safety not get drafted
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I agree but unfortunately most of these guys went the majority of their careers underperforming and we only began to see what they could do the last 7 or so games of their career.
 
#86
#86
Nasavol said:
I’ve said all along I think he will make a good special teams player. I question whether you have seen him play, when I see posts talking about his great hands, he had quite a few drops, that is one of the knocks on him. Some on here are delusional, a good college player doesn’t necessarily mean a good NFL player. Sorry that hurts your feelings. I’m done with this conversation with you.
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I think Daniel Bituli will wind up being a starter in the CFL
 
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#87
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Nasavol said:
I’ve said all along I think he will make a good special teams player. I question whether you have seen him play, when I see posts talking about his great hands, he had quite a few drops, that is one of the knocks on him. Some on here are delusional, a good college player doesn’t necessarily mean a good NFL player. Sorry that hurts your feelings. I’m done with this conversation with you.
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He'll be a good slot receiver. He won't be a WR1, but he'll do fine in the slot.
 
#89
#89
WBO said:
Someone said Giants might be interested in Bituli. That actually sounds like his best chance. One of their ILBs last year was a 4th round pick out of Wisconsin that wasn't getting it done and he was supposed to be run stuffer. Plus Bituli was a good special teams player, that should at least get him a look. Just can't believe he won't at least get a shot at camp with someone.
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Bituli signed with the Cardinals.
May have been a false report. No news on this anywhere I can find.
 
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#94
#94
SockeyeVol said:
Tua has incredible upside.

When your comps are Steve Young and Mark Brunell, teams are going to gamble on you. I, for one, am glad he chose to come play ball in the SEC.
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I joked once that you were JG. I’m starting to get a little more serious about that comment.
 
#95
#95
Rememberthe1990s said:
I would have taken neither. The ravens, Seahawks (early when Wilson was just above average), Patriots first 2 super bowls (with a young Brady who was just game manager type) proved you can win with defense and a game manager at QB. Unless I had a Peyton with no questions, then I'm building my team differently. I would draft a qb with mid rounders to late picks hoping I strike gold with a kid I liked. So your argument is flawed because you think I'd take a qb. I'm taking a sure fire NFL player that I know will play for me for at least 10 years barring some kind of freak injury or circumstance. But hey, most people believe you have to have a qb and that solves all. I think until you find that guy, take the sure thing not a chance. So I would have taken Tua second round if there or late first. But a top 10 pick I'm taking sure thing. Also, I'm sure those teams have more holes than qb. So fill those holes and build around a developmental qb.

Also, you cant take Tua's injury history out of it. He has shown he cant play a whole season and he cant play through an injury. So I'm not willing to gamble my job on a guy who may play 4 to 8 games year. Give me the kid from OSU with my top pick. He guarantees my defense has a lockdown pass rusher for all 16 games.
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Well the ravens won their first super bowl with a mediocre QB, but that was a completely different era. The more recent super bowl by them, Joe Flacco had one of the greatest QB postseason runs of all time. And the Seahawks and patriots were able to win those Super Bowls because they had good QBs on rookie/cheap contracts, and thus could build up the rest of the roster. Chiefs just won the super bowl because they traded way up to take a huge gamble on a QB most considered a huge risk, and then he became the best QB in the nfl for less money than some RBs were making. Key to winning in the NFL rn is having a good QB on a rookie or at least under market contract. No single position impacts the game anywhere close to how much a QB does, so it doesn’t make sense to me to not prioritize that position in the draft
 
#97
#97
pharmDvol11 said:
I joked once that you were JG. I’m starting to get a little more serious about that comment.
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Definitely not, though I have a lot of respect for him.

Not sure what that has to do with Tua. Pipelines need to be maintained, and getting a kid of his stature to move here from the West Coast is terrific for the SEC.

Tua's week-in, week-out national exposure reminds every HS kid on the West Coast that the grass is pretty green on the other side of the country.
 
#98
#98
I went back and found this post Gator Bowl, on field interview with Daniel Bituli...

if THIS doesn’t deserve a shot on an NFL Team...then £#€¥ the NFL!

 
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#100
#100
VFL49er said:
Well the ravens won their first super bowl with a mediocre QB, but that was a completely different era. The more recent super bowl by them, Joe Flacco had one of the greatest QB postseason runs of all time. And the Seahawks and patriots were able to win those Super Bowls because they had good QBs on rookie/cheap contracts, and thus could build up the rest of the roster. Chiefs just won the super bowl because they traded way up to take a huge gamble on a QB most considered a huge risk, and then he became the best QB in the nfl for less money than some RBs were making. Key to winning in the NFL rn is having a good QB on a rookie or at least under market contract. No single position impacts the game anywhere close to how much a QB does, so it doesn’t make sense to me to not prioritize that position in the draft
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I didn't say it didn't matter. I said I wouldn't take a QB in top 10 that was not a sure thing. I'm taking a player who is a sure thing. Also, Brady and Wilson were not anything more than efficient game managers that played good at times. Wilson has turned into great and Brady became HoF post his first 2 that were won with defense. Hell, Brady threw 18 tds to 12 picks his first SB run. I'd say that's average at best. His next year 28 tds to 14 picks. That's a lot of picks brother. He became good in years 4 and 5 as a starter. And Brady is my example of what I'd do as a gm. Draft sure things and take a qb you can develop. So is wilson btw. He was the 75th pick of draft. I would attempt to do what those franchises did. Take a mid rounder pick on a qb I liked then build defense around them and let them develop. Dont ask a lot of them early on. But to each their own man. You dont have to agree.
 
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