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I’d be willing to agree with you if he wasn’t a month slow. Governors took the lead and did a good job.
I don’t know how anyone can be intellectually honest and have this take. Fauci was saying into March this was nothing to be concerned about. Pelosi was in Chinatown telling people this was nothing to worry about in March. Biden was calling Trump a racist for the travel ban in March. Literally no one thought this was that big of deal, including the advisers Trump is using now, including the democrats.

If you want to blame someone, blame The Who and China for lying about how contagious this thing is.
 
How you’re confused by this is mind boggling

In one post you say virus was overblown and we overreacted.

In the next post 5 mins later when responding to someone who said the virus wasn’t as bad bc of the precautions we took you say thanks to Trump for saving millions of lives.

Either the virus wasn’t bad. Or Trump saved us from a virus that would’ve killed millions.

How you don’t understand that these statements are contradictory to one another is mind boggling.
 
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In one post you say virus was overblown and we overreacted.

In the next post 5 mins later when responding to someone who said the virus wasn’t as bad bc of the precautions we took you say thanks to Trump for saving millions of lives.

Either the virus wasn’t bad. Or Trump saved us from a virus that would’ve killed millions.

How you don’t understand that these statements are contradictory to one another is mind boggling.
It’s really quite simple. I don’t believe the virus was that bad as the new data is proving. But if you believe that it was, as Kingston apparently does, then you have to give Trump credit for his response to it and his social distancing guidelines. The hilarious thing is that many leftists believe this thing is horrible and that had we not social distanced hundreds of thousands of lives would have been lost! But then those same folks refuse to give trump credit for administering the guidelines. Just pointing out this fact.
 
I’d be willing to agree with you if he wasn’t a month slow. Governors took the lead and did a good job.

Maybe if the CCP and the WHO had given honest information early, or if our our own medical experts hadn't been all over the place on the risks/non-risks, the president could have had a better idea. Some governors did a good job; some didn't.
 
It’s really quite simple. I don’t believe the virus was that bad as the new data is proving. But if you believe that it was, as Kingston apparently does, then you have to give Trump credit for his response to it and his social distancing guidelines. The hilarious thing is that many leftists believe this thing is horrible and that had we not social distanced hundreds of thousands of lives would have been lost! But then those same folks refuse to give trump credit for administering the guidelines. Just pointing out this fact.

If you truly believe the virus wasn’t that bad and wouldn’t have done that much damage, then you would also believe that Trump overreacted when he put forth federal government guidelines closing non essential businesses and implementing social distancing.

On the other hand, to give Trump credit for savings millions or hundreds of thousands of lives, you would need to believe the virus was very bad.

So it was either a big nothing burger and everyone, including Trump, grossly overreacted

-OR-

It was incredibly serious and Trump should be rewarded with some praise for the aforementioned government guidelines.

Just as you want “leftists” to choose, you also have to choose. Just pointing out this fact.
 
If you truly believe the virus wasn’t that bad and wouldn’t have done that much damage, then you would also believe that Trump overreacted when he put forth federal government guidelines closing non essential businesses and implementing social distancing.

On the other hand, to give Trump credit for savings millions or hundreds of thousands of lives, you would need to believe the virus was very bad.

So it was either a big nothing burger and everyone, including Trump, grossly overreacted

-OR-

It was incredibly serious and Trump should be rewarded with some praise for the aforementioned government guidelines.

Just as you want “leftists” to choose, you also have to choose. Just pointing out this fact.
I think Trump overreacted. But Trump isn’t an epidemiologist. Trump listened to his advisors, Fauci and Birch, and did what they said to do and here we are. What they had however, was based upon extremely flawed models. Had China and The Who not lied, I think things would have been much different.
 
In my isolation I was stuck with only FM wavelengths to connect with the outside world. It was trying. Withdrawal symptoms? That’s an understatement. I did discover conspiracy radio though and that was interesting. I’ve learned that the United Nations is warning that the bright move by the World’s leading nations in the developed world to shut down their economies in the face of the virus panic is likely going to lead to wide spread famine in parts of the developing world, of Biblical proportions they say. I was encouraged to hear that the UN actually may be reading the Bible. Speaking of madness, my favorite story was learning about interdimensional werewolves in England. Don’t laugh; It’s a real thing and based on the descriptions provided, these things could end up being a lot more scary than the virus. jmo.
Wait, were you listening to Coast to Coast radio? I used to work late shift back in the day and would drive home listening to all the crazy calls and theories posited. It was very entertaining.

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Facts don’t lie homie


.0002% chance of even getting it.

98% cure rate even if you do.
.0002% chance of even getting it? You know most of us are going to end up getting it before we get herd immunity. Some research out of Austria suggests it may also cause long term irreversible lung damage. This is not “just the flu” nor is it only about the olds.
 
I think Trump overreacted. But Trump isn’t an epidemiologist. Trump listened to his advisors, Fauci and Birch, and did what they said to do and here we are. What they had however, was based upon extremely flawed models. Had China and The Who not lied, I think things would have been much different.

I accept that you think Trump overreacted but then you went and blamed it on the epidemiologists..

Which means if the aforementioned “leftists” think the virus is a big deal and that it was only slowed bc of the preventative measures in place, wouldn’t they be right to praise Fauci and Birch (the epidemiologists that you just blamed for Trump’s overreaction)?

Just say “Trump overreacted and it’s his fault we are where we are now” if you want the other side to say “Trump should be praised for all the lives he saved”.
 
I have analyzed this 10 different ways, trying to sort fact from fiction, politics, and agenda. I have some stuff I trust more than others obviously, but I keep coming back to the same conclusion. I was actually pretty excited about some of what was being suggested by these antibody tests, until i started digging into the tests being used and the methodologies of those conducting them. The majority of these antibody tests have such significant sensitivity and specificity errors that is is impossible to use the results the way they are using them. It's the equivalent of measuring the thickness of a sheet paper with a ruler.

For example: The Abbott Labs test I linked a while back is very good, but there are no results back from it. It is claimed to be 100% sensitive (catches every case) and 99.5% specific (has 5 false positives in 1000 tests). Even as good as it is, if it had been used in the Santa Clara county test its error rate would have been 33% of the total positives they found. Out of 3300 people they tested, they found 50 positive....*50*. With the best-in-class Abbot test, the false positives would be expected to be 17 of the 50. But they didn't use the Abbott test, they used one out of China that was far less accurate than that. To make it worse, the sample was highly salted by the way they got test subjects. They then took that small number of positives, found by a questionable test, from a salted sample, and extrapolated that to the entire county and made the claim they did. Sorry, that isn't science.

When results start coming back from the Abbot test and fall outside the margin of error of the test, I'll change my tune. I hope I get to.

Man..this is just a fact..and you don't have to have this test or that test to know it.

MOST..people who get this virus do not get sick enough to get tested, and the ease of transmission is insane with this bug. So the confirmed case number is badly wrong...

Take @nicksjuzunk for a example, as far as I know...nobody in his family has taken a test, yet it is almost certain that they have Covid-19.

There are millions of unconfirmed cases out there, I mean most children barely show symptoms at all..but you do not want to believe that. You keep looking for reasons to poke holes in it for some reason which I do not understand.

This bug is dangerous...not because of overall mortality rate, but because of ease of transmission and no immunity in the population + its brutality on a particular segment of the population.

You're a great guy, and I am not saying this to be a jerk to you. No matter what you believe, I respect you...but...

Come on man..😉
 
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.0002% chance of even getting it? You know most of us are going to end up getting it before we get herd immunity. Some research out of Austria suggests it may also cause long term irreversible lung damage. This is not “just the flu” nor is it only about the olds.

Regular ol' flu can cause lung damage that takes time to reverse. It's way too early to say that any coronavirus-related lung damage is permanent.
 
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