Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[RikidyBones]

Alabama is 61st in recruiting.

Dang Newt! You...me...agree...again!

Does this mean more gay jokes?

 

[butchna]

So baseball's rules for HOF induction are not predicated on opinions? Or, at least the political lobby as much?

You need the requisite stats to be considered but if you’re tied in with organized gambling or artificially driven performance, the Pope ain’t getting you in. Lawrence Taylor got into the NFL HOF after being busted for statutory rape and multiple drug offenses. Baseball has a higher standard. Mickey Mantle would have a harder time nowadays with the instant Information age and Ty Cobb would’ve never been eligible.

 

[butchna]

He may not. But he’s still better

Opinion.

 

[Catbone]

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That's cool

 

[butchna]

MLB definitely reaped the short term benefits and encouraged the cheating. Prfessional baseball's entire history is a culture of breaking rules to gain an advantage.

Why aren’t they encouraging it now? Why does it keep ramping up the punishment? Doesn’t jibe.

 

[Vols4us]

3 US open wins: Pebble Beach, Torrey pines, Bethpage black

3 Open wins: St Andrews 2x, Royal Liverpool

4 PGA championships: Valhalla, Medinah x2, Southern Hills

For the one keeping count, that’s 9 different courses, including Augusta, for his major 15 majors. I’d say the narrative that Tiger can only win certain courses is pretty ridiculous. And, tbh, a pretty weak way to criticize a guy with 15 majors and 82 wins.

Nobody says he has not been a great golfer, the best of his era. He's just not the goat.

Your statement is flawed. His performances in the majors is great. Now admit, that he won the Firestone/Bridgestone on the same course 8 times, the Arnold Palmer Invitational on the same course 8 times, the Farmers Insurance played at Torrey Pines 7 times plus the US. Open, the WGC-AmEx/Cadillac/Mexico with a 72 players limited international (weaker field) field 7 times, Masters 5 times, BMW (Former Western Open) 5 times at Cog Hill, and Jack's Memorial Tournament on the same course 5 times. That total alone is 46 wins - more than half of his 82 total on the same courses or in the case of the WGC with a very limited field.

There are good reasons all real golfers understand the term, "horses for courses". Tiger maximized his damage on a handful of courses and good for him. Smart decisions. Jack played them all and other than the Masters did not win a single tournament more than 4 times on the same course. The WGC did not even exist when Jack played.

 

[Jackcrevol]

You need the requisite stats to be considered but if you’re tied in with organized gambling or artificially driven performance, the Pope ain’t getting you in. Lawrence Taylor got into the NFL HOF after being busted for statutory rape and multiple drug offenses. Baseball has a higher standard. Mickey Mantle would have a harder time nowadays with the instant Information age and Ty Cobb would’ve never been eligible.

That old fashioned snobbery makes a boring game, boring. At least corked bats and HGH made game seem faster.

 

[butchna]

Apparently you don't know what facts look like. Read the ESPN article I posted, the one your Rolling Stone post referenced. There is no evidence Pete Rose bet against himself. It quite clearly states that. But I guess you're hung up on believing what you want to believe rather than what the investigators actually found.

I know what they look like. Not hung up on anything. And it’s not what I “want to believe.” The guy’s dirty and had a relationship with organized crime and now he’s banned from baseball. He was a great player and may be enshrined someday. Hopefully it’ll be after his death cuz he doesn’t deserve to enjoy the honor. Someone brought up Shoeless Joe. Feel worse for him. He had a helluva World Series and got banned for the association with gamblers. It’s my opinion that they’re doing it right. Cooperstown is an honor and Rose as well as Bonds have little.

 

[Pepe]

i think the statute of stupid rules is up, man.

Gambling on your own team is a stupid rule? Cripes!!

 

[butchna]

That old fashioned snobbery makes a boring game, boring. At least corked bats and HGH made game seem faster.

It’s not snobbery. You’ve already stated you feel it’s a boring game. Putting guys in the HOF ain’t gonna make it better for you.

 

[Devo182]

This is an unprecedented recruiting season so far but go ahead with the April angst.

How does "not that worried in April" equate to angst? I properly hedged my post, sir.

But to your point - is it unfairly affecting us? Everyone is having to deal with it all the same.

 

[Pepe]

#2. Golf is boring to watch on TV.

I used to have a dog that like to watch it especially when the ball was rolling across the green

 

[Joe Dirt]

Before I start this, I’m not a Tiger hater. In real life, I’m usually having to defend Tiger against the “Lol, 18 > 15, bro!” crowd. Like I said to Bass, Tiger may end up being the GOAT before it’s all said and done.

I think the era from 2010-present is the strongest golf has ever been top to bottom, by a significant margin.

2000-2009? I think golf was kind of in a rebuilding phase. There was a glut of mid-level talent that didn’t really ever develop to its full potential, and younger players that would come into their own in the next decade. 2005-09 was particularly weak, when Els and Vijay kind of fell off, and the younger stars of the 10s weren’t quite there yet. If you want to know what I mean, take a look at the 2008 US Open final leaderboard. Or better yet, consider that Tom Watson was one bad tee shot away from winning the 2009 British Open, at age 59!

There were also weak eras in Jack’s day too. And admittedly, golf was more “top-heavy” in those days, but it’s not by as much as people want to believe. I think a lot of it comes from how much easier it is to remember the “also-rans” from recent times than older eras. For example, people remember guys like Anthony Kim and think “Yeah, that guy was pretty good. I remember a few years when people thought he might be the next big thing.” Whereas his 70s-80s counterparts, guys like JC Snead, Isao Aoki, Hubert Green, Andy North, etc. have somewhat been lost to golf’s collective memory, even though all the guys I mentioned probably had more success than Kim ended up having.

Feel free to disagree. Been loving the golf talk for the past day.

Great response. I'd buy you a nice bourbon if we weren't in this damn quarantine. Cheers

 

[Devo182]

Actually a pretty decent post in the FF comparing to 2020 team to the very hyped up 2016 team.

One glaring difference is obviously at QB, which makes one wonder just how high the 2020 ceiling would be with the 2016 version of Dobbs.

 

[UTSuave’]

Undefeated.

1.)Bone
2.)Lofton
3.)Houston
4.)Williams
5.)Chism
6.)Harris

 

[Smokeytom]

NBA is insanely boring for about 40 minutes every single game. If you’ve ever played golf, then watching it you’re just in awe shot after shot. The pros are so ridiculously, consistently great. Hell, it takes 20 under par to get a W most weeks on the “minor league” web.com tour.

All you can do is laugh when watching Tiger highlights. He routinely does things that all other pros wouldn’t even dare to try. If Jack was even better, then I want to see them head to head. There are certain dramatics in golf that you just can’t get in other sports. Has a little bit of October baseball in it in that respect.

 

[Devo182]

Undefeated.

1.)Bone
2.)Lofton
3.)Houston
4.)Williams
5.)Chism
6.)Harris

Have to choose between Houston or King? That's just mean. Why can't we have both

 

[SSVol]

NBA is insanely boring for about 40 minutes every single game. If you’ve ever played golf, then watching it you’re just in awe shot after shot. The pros are so ridiculously, consistently great. Hell, it takes 20 under par to get a W most weeks on the “minor league” web.com tour.

All you can do is laugh when watching Tiger highlights. He routinely does things that all other pros wouldn’t even dare to try. If Jack was even better, then I want to see them head to head. There are certain dramatics in golf that you just can’t get in other sports. Has a little bit of October baseball in it in that respect.

For me watching golf is this odd mix of the calmness of watching Bob Ross paint, and awe at some of the shots they make. Majors just push that to a much higher level. And watching great players come back from several strokes down on the back 9 on Sunday, is more still.

 

[Devo182]

Rewatching Mizzou game. 1st play of the game...PI on Mizzou. Here comes deja vu.

 

[VolGee4]

I can see it if this thing is raging into the first week of October but ITS ONLY APRIL

Right now it is premature. But my guess is they have to make a decision by July because football will start by late July/early August.

 

[Smokeytom]

I thought crazy crowds / galleries like this were a thing of a bygone era. Chalk it up to HDTV and a decade+ of constant distractions due to that dang internet thing in everyone’s pocket. Nobody has time to go to a dang golf tournament.. Those frenzied Tiger crowds are never coming back...




...goosebumps!

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Nobody says he has not been a great golfer, the best of his era. He's just not the goat.

Your statement is flawed. His performances in the majors is great. Now admit, that he won the Firestone/Bridgestone on the same course 8 times, the Arnold Palmer Invitational on the same course 8 times, the Farmers Insurance played at Torrey Pines 7 times plus the US. Open, the WGC-AmEx/Cadillac/Mexico with a 72 players limited international (weaker field) field 7 times, Masters 5 times, BMW (Former Western Open) 5 times at Cog Hill, and Jack's Memorial Tournament on the same course 5 times. That total alone is 46 wins - more than half of his 82 total on the same courses or in the case of the WGC with a very limited field.

There are good reasons all real golfers understand the term, "horses for courses". Tiger maximized his damage on a handful of courses and good for him. Smart decisions. Jack played them all and other than the Masters did not win a single tournament more than 4 times on the same course. The WGC did not even exist when Jack played.

And?

 

[franklinpence]

Rewatching the game against Florida from 98. Didn’t remember that one-handed interception by Deon Grant was his first career interception. Talk about doing something with style.

 

[UTSuave’]

Have to choose between Houston or King? That's just mean. Why can't we have both

I chose Houston because he was the best choice closest to modern day basketball..king is good but I think he would just get out done

 

[ndubvols]

In reality, the only chance Tiger has to break Jack's record is to win the Masters 4 more times. That is the only Major that is always played on the same course. If you look at his win totals, the majority of them came on a hand full of courses that he was comfortable playing. The Open, PGA and US Open are very difficult set ups and played on a different course every year. That's not Tiger's game.

I would definitely throw the open in there as well. A lot of course knowledge and general strategy goes into the links game, and it’s a relatively small rotation of courses. There’s a lot of recent success with older players doing well there. Plus he was in contention there on Sunday two years ago.