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How would Bonds of done in any of the eras you mentioned? He would dominated.

Even if his career proceeded at a similar trajectory as his Pittsburgh years he would still have been an all-time great and would have gotten to 500 or so HRs.

He also was great at every other aspect of offense during the first half of his career.
No way to know how he would have done. Pitchers were generally better in his era, but so were the bats. He also juiced. Who knows how much that helped him. He was a great all around player. Great OF and base runner. I still think he's far from the best hitter. I have bias against him because he juiced. I am likely letting some of that bias me when comparing him.
 
I just told my 15 year old daughter that that season would be fun to go back and watch all the games from that year. We may veg out on a rainy day and knock some of them out. Can't wait to see her reaction.
We just watched the Arkansas game and she said “this is terrible, how in the world could we play this bad and win this game?” & “if you made me sit here and watch while we get beat, I’m going to be so mad”. Then the fumble happened and her mouth just dropped open. It was fun letting her see what I experienced and my feelings during the game.
 
Finally finished my banana cream protein powder. What should I get next? See a lot of you on here talk about cookies and cream from Whey
Cinnamon Roll or Salted Caramel. Love Key Lime Pie but it’s not my daily protein.

That is always Chocolate Smooth with a teaspoon of powdered peanut butter, because baby I’m worth it
 
10k winter, 5k summer. Taking 10k now. Anyone over 50 should be. Your goal is to be over 50 ng/ml. As you get older, it is next to impossible to be at that level without supplementation. North of Atlanta it is impossible to get enough sun in the winter to do that, no matter how much time you spend outdoors. If you don’t eat much meat, might want to look at zinc too.

You may still get C-19 while having high D, but it is likely to be far milder.

I mentioned the other day two friends from high school that have symptoms. One of them hasn't gotten her test results back yet, but her doctor is treating her for Covid.

Anyway, she posted what her doctor said the hospitals are now treating people with that he sent her home with. One of them was a D3/K2 supplement.

There were several other supplements and meds as well. Kind of a friend of a friend recommendation, but you aren't the only one, and it may be common for all I know.
 
I mentioned the other day two friends from high school that have symptoms. One of them hasn't gotten her test results back yet, but her doctor is treating her for Covid.

Anyway, she posted what her doctor said the hospitals are now treating people with that he sent her home with. One of them was a D3/K2 supplement.

There were several other supplements and meds as well. Kind of a friend of a friend recommendation, but you aren't the only one, and it may be common for all I know.

There are definitely other supplements, but I didn't want to overly complicate it. I think D is the primary one for prevention and reduction of severity.

I would/will treat with 3-5g of *liposomal* Vit C per day in divided dose (preferably LivOn labs) at the onset of symptoms. It will completely eliminate seasonal flu symptoms in 36 hours, and is effective for most viruses. I haven't heard any specific feedback on lipo with C-19, but there is quite a bit of info out there regarding IV Vit C use with C-19, so I would fully expect lipo to work as well. Liposomal C is a completely different beast from basic oral C, and don't let the naysayers convince you otherwise.
 
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Pete is a cheat too. The thing about it is that most of these guys didn't need to do it. Bonds still was great without the juice. McGwire, Sosa, all those guys didn't need to do it. Pete didn't need to gamble, either.
I don't think Pete was a cheat. He absolutely broke the rules of baseball, but I don't recall there ever being proof he bet against himself, and I find it hard to believe he would have. Anyone who watched Pete play could see how serious he took the game. He played with everything he had at all times. And I think his own arrogance and just belief in himself would have prevented him from ever throwing a game. I think that same arrogance and belief in himself is what led to him gambling on baseball to begin with.

And I do think he should be in the Hall of Fame. The HoF is about career, not character, and Pete's career is absolutely Hall of Fame worthy. Plenty of the guys enshrined have questionable character.
 
I don't think Pete was a cheat. He absolutely broke the rules of baseball, but I don't recall there ever being proof he bet against himself, and I find it hard to believe he would have. Anyone who watched Pete play could see how serious he took the game. He played with everything he had at all times. And I think his own arrogance and just belief in himself would have prevented him from ever throwing a game. I think that same arrogance and belief in himself is what led to him gambling on baseball to begin with.

And I do think he should be in the Hall of Fame. The HoF is about career, not character, and Pete's career is absolutely Hall of Fame worthy. Plenty of the guys enshrined have questionable character.
he admitted. my question is how is good character worse than Mcgwire or Bonds? they cheated.

Rose was a great player
 
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I agree but Bonds, McGuire, Sosa and Clemens get unfairly crucified for being the poster children of the steroid era.

They cheated but I understand the pressure to do so when nearly everyone else was as well. Cheat and maintain or increase greatness or don't cheat and fall behind the pack? I can't honestly say what I would do in their position.

But relative to their competition Barry Bonds is the best batter of all time and I think we could still say that if he hadn't cheated....maybe he wouldn't have the HR record though.

Griffey Jr might have challenged that if not for injury.
I think plenty of guys could challenge for best hitter of all time. Interesting enough, Barry didn't even reach 3000 hits, but conversely, IIRC, he's the all time walks leader. But there have been plenty of guys with more hits, and better lifetime batting averages.
 
I agree but Bonds, McGuire, Sosa and Clemens get unfairly crucified for being the poster children of the steroid era.

They cheated but I understand the pressure to do so when nearly everyone else was as well. Cheat and maintain or increase greatness or don't cheat and fall behind the pack? I can't honestly say what I would do in their position.

But relative to their competition Barry Bonds is the best batter of all time and I think we could still say that if he hadn't cheated....maybe he wouldn't have the HR record though.

Griffey Jr might have challenged that if not for injury.
McGwire and Sosa did get the ball rolling for Bonds on the cheating...none get a pass. It’s one thing to cheat to improve your performance in order to HOLD ON to a MLB career. Still no pass but understandable. When you use artificial means to bump up elite skills in order to reach and surpass hallowed records, then you deserve the requisite repercussions. Brady Anderson using the juice to become a one time 50 hr hitter when his previous max in the preceding 8 seasons was 21 is dubious. Bonds using the juice in an already established HOF career to best Maris and Ruth’s single season marks (I don’t count McGwire and Sosa) and then Aaron’s career total, is a travesty. We know when he ramped up the PED’s in response to the two others, but I trace it back to his first season with the Giants. 46 in that first season when his previous high was 34 the last season with the Pirates. He simply didn’t go all-in until he saw the national attention and glory involved with that stat. I think the writers who are barring his HOF entry will eventually die off and the new guard will vote him in...but I’m glad his punk azz has to wait.
 
he admitted. my question is how is good character worse than Mcgwire or Bonds? they cheated.

Rose was a great player
He admitted to betting against himself, or he admitted betting on his own games? Those two aren't the same. I don't recall him ever admitting to throwing games.
 
he admitted. my question is how is good character worse than Mcgwire or Bonds? they cheated.

Rose was a great player
Who bet against his own team. Baseball doesn’t automatically induct greatness into it’s Hall. I think he’ll get in after he dies.
 
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He admitted to betting against himself, or he admitted betting on his own games? Those two aren't the same. I don't recall him ever admitting to throwing games.
He just recently admitted betting AT ALL...in time to sell a book. They had the proof he bet against his own team.
 
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He just recently admitted betting AT ALL...in time to sell a book. They had the proof he bet against his own team.
Hmm.. Just did a quick google, and from what I read, they don't have evidence he ever bet against himself. He bet on games he was in, but there's no indication he bet against himself or threw games.
 
That's an opinion piece. Read this article from ESPN, which involved Dowd, who investigated the case for MLB. It says that Rose bet on Reds games but there is no evidence he bet against them. And why would a bookie accept bets against the Reds knowing Rose could very easily influence the outcome? Makes no sense.

OTL: Notebook shows Rose bet on MLB as player
 
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That's an opinion piece. Read this article from ESPN, which involved Dowd, who investigated the case for MLB. It says that Rose bet on Reds games but there is no evidence he bet against them. And why would a bookie accept bets against the Reds knowing Rose could very easily influence the outcome? Makes no sense.

OTL: Notebook shows Rose bet on MLB as player
You think the bets were LEGAL? He had a pattern of betting against his team when Gullickson pitched. Bookies would inform their Mafia bosses that a fix was in. Patterns...Weez.
 
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