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Weezer said:
lmao Everyone had already acknowledged that one exception. You were the one arguing there were more.
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Imao - Just a few reluctantly acknowledged that exception and only after I refuted the statement that pregnancy was always a choice, and I never argued there were more.
 
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Stew Cook said:
70k might be considered rich in some areas of the country, as long as those folk know how to manage it, and not live check to check. I will say that most people I know in that income range try to live like they make $500k, and it's gonna hurt.

As unfortunate as this whole deal is for some, those with cash will be able to take advantage.
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Exactly. The $1200 is good for most people but for a lot of people it might not be that much just like 70K for a single person in rural anywhere is great. But in a large city? Not so much. I think in Atlanta metro to live comfortably and safe its around $102,000 a year.
 
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allvol123 said:
Yep.
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OK. Well if we use the numbers from that same site and do the hospitalization rate among the infected in that same age group, it’s around 25%. I highly doubt that in actuality 1 in 4 40 year olds are going to end up at the hospital, but it’s probably going to be a significant number. The 4-5% estimated elsewhere seems reasonable. So maybe 1 in 20. I wouldn’t call that virtually no risk or whatever was said recently. And that’s in a low risk demographic. So if we take away our isolation measures and get back to rapid spread of the virus... Seems like it’s not a great leap to imagine the healthcare system being overwhelmed.
 
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utvolpj said:
You still didn't answer the question you raised and kinda contradicted yourself. If individuals are taught that skill yet can't seem to do it why do you believe a corp would? Why hold them to a higher standard than the individual?
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It is not a requirement for a person or corporation to reserve funds when times get lean. However, it is a good idea. If an individual or corporation wants to have that paycheck to paycheck mentality, then it is a gamble if revenue becomes scarce.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Sweden is expecting their citizens to have some sort of responsibility for their own actions to make it through the pandemic. That would never fly in the USA.
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And they have that universal health care system thing to boot........ go Sweden.
 
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Orangeburst said:
From my understanding, the 100-250K was already based on SD. Somebody is lying.
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When Fauci and Birx were citing 100k-250k, that was not from the IHME model. I don’t know what model that came from.

The IHME model’s actual mean estimate was never over about 94k. And for weeks was in a narrow range of 80-95k.

It wasn’t until it used new data to refresh its view on how many hospitalizations were required in the US vs the international data they used to seed the original model (their paper isn’t entirely clear on where the initial assumptions came from for hospitalization rates, but it mentions elsewhere they use Wuhan and Italy data initially because we didn’t have a lot of US data yet) and then process that through the full model that you saw the death counts drop from that range down to 60k. I believe that is because hospitals in many areas of the country were no longer being overwhelmed in the model whereas before they were.

EDIT: Looks like they updated their model today and it rose from 60k to 62k.
 
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luthervol said:
And they have that universal health care system thing to boot........ go Sweden.
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Which has absolutely nothing to do with anything. Wanna know what else they have? The highest rape rate for any Western country, and 6th globally. Thank god for that universal healthcare system! Go Sweden!

Its not lost on me that you completely ignore the personal responsibility part..
 
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TennTradition said:
When Fauci and Birx were citing 100k-250k, that was not from the IHME model. I don’t know what model that came from.

The IHME model’s actual mean estimate was never over about 94k. And for weeks was in a narrow range of 80-95k.

It wasn’t until it used new data to refresh its view on how many hospitalizations were required in the US vs the international data they used to seed the original model (their paper isn’t entirely clear on where the initial assumptions came from for hospitalization rates, but it mentions elsewhere they use Wuhan and Italy data initially because we didn’t have a lot of US data yet) and then process that through the full model that you saw the death counts drop from that range down to 60k. I believe that is because hospitals in many areas of the country were no longer being overwhelmed in the model whereas before they were.
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How long are they presuming we do this shelter in place stuff?
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Sweden is expecting their citizens to have some sort of responsibility for their own actions to make it through the pandemic. That would never fly in the USA.
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No way. We've got Billy badasses that won't do a damn thang they're told to do and will drive around in their gas guzzling trucks just for spite. Lulz.

Because I laugh about that it automatically means I'm hiding under my bed like I've been told to do instead of being somewhere in the middle.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
It is not a requirement for a person or corporation to reserve funds when times get lean. However, it is a good idea. If an individual or corporation wants to have that paycheck to paycheck mentality, then it is a gamble if revenue becomes scarce.
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So you're in favor of no aid dollars correct? Your original post read a bit differently
 
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West Vol said:
OK. Well if we use the numbers from that same site and do the hospitalization rate among the infected in that same age group, it’s around 25%. I highly doubt that in actuality 1 in 4 40 year olds are going to end up at the hospital, but it’s probably going to be a significant number. The 4-5% estimated elsewhere seems reasonable. So maybe 1 in 20. I wouldn’t call that virtually no risk or whatever was said recently. And that’s in a low risk demographic. So if we take away our isolation measures and get back to rapid spread of the virus... Seems like it’s not a great leap to imagine the healthcare system being overwhelmed.
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It is 1 in a 1000 of all persons in that range. Obviously that goes up upon increased activity among people but we also need to consider that it is skewed towards people with other issues as well.

People need to be allowed to assess their risk level and comfort level with those risks and move ahead as they determine appropriate.

That said, I already know my point is futile. I can know that I would allow my children to go back to school Monday but I also know it is meaningless. As long as you pay public school teachers to sit at home, there would never be enough to voluntarily show up. Regardless of their views on the virus.
 
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Behr said:
No way. We've got Billy badasses that won't do a damn thang they're told to do and will drive around in their gas guzzling trucks just for spite. Lulz.

Because I laugh about that it automatically means I'm hiding under my bed like I've been told to do instead of being somewhere in the middle.
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Billy?

volfanjustin said:
I will go where ever I want, this weekend I plan to go check on my boat, I plan to go to a friends house, liquor store (multiple times) and just for spite I may just drive around in my gas guzzling truck
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Minneapolis Providing Millions In Coronavirus Assistance To Illegal Aliens

Foreign nationals living illegally in Minneapolis, Minnesota, are eligible for financial assistance programs that are intended to help small businesses and families struggling with the coronavirus pandemic.

Democratic Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey, in conjunction with the Minneapolis City Council, announced earlier in April that more than $5 million would be allocated from the city’s coffers to help local residents and employers feeling the pinch from the coronavirus lockdown. The rescue package specifically dedicates several million dollars to emergency housing assistance to low-income individuals.

However, a look at the program’s guidelines revealed that the eligibility requirements are quite vague.

To qualify for the emergency housing assistance program, a family must: live within Minneapolis city limits, have incomes of 30% of the area medium income or lower, and have experienced a “significant loss” of income from the COVID-19 emergency.

Living unlawfully in the city is not a disqualifying factor for the funds. In fact, the guidelines specifically state that “households are eligible irrespective of immigration or documentation status.”

What’s up for grabs? Recipients will receive funds depending on their “individual needs of the household,” but generally they can receive as much as $1,500 per household, or up to $2,000 under “extraordinary circumstances.”
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Minneapolis Providing Millions In Coronavirus Assistance To Illegal Aliens
 
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utvolpj said:
So you're in favor of no aid dollars correct? Your original post read a bit differently
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If the FED GOVT told me hey, you are still employed and do not qualify, I would have no problem with that. The stimulus package was not designed that way though. I am totally in favor of the dollars going to people who have lost their jobs lining up for unemployment. My Aunt is unemployed now and my wife and I have discussed helping out family that have lost their jobs. I am in favor of aid because many do need the money.
 
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