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WriterVol said:
Apologies. I didn't know I was "harping" on that.

I do feel a little defensive about people downplaying the possible deaths. Viruses are complicated. If they do organ damage, you can have a cardiac arrest that was caused by the virus. I don't know if that's happening, but there are articles with doctors and experts talking about all kinds of complications. Really, autopsies are needed to determine that kind of stuff, and understandably that doesn't seem to be a priority in hard hit areas.

But I do agree. We don't know the true mortality rate. For one, we are usually calculating it against active cases. Some number of those active cases will also result in death. There are some number of deaths in New York that are likely Covid related, and they aren't being counted. Those things would raise the number.

To your point, yes, there are a whole lot of people in this country that have it or have had it that aren't getting tested. That would obviously drop the mortality. That would also drop the hospitalization rate. That's good for everyone. Where that number sits is anyone's guess at this point. I don't have a good feel for guessing that, but South Korea is probably closer than the rest of the countries. If it's a really high number, that's going to help us on the other side of this first curve since more people should have an immunity for some time after.

But the transmission rate, as you have also said, is high. Too many cases too fast are going to complicate our ability to respond to those that do require hospitalization, and that number is much higher than the mortality rate. That's why I urge caution with thinking it's overblown.
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It is not overblown..but also we can not keep everything shut down till a vaccine is available.

I don't want to just exist, and that is all any freakin body is doing right now. I sure don't want to waste any more of what precious few years I have left sitting in my house for much longer.

You can't even go to a freakin park because of fear...now that is freaking overkill I don't care what anybody says.
 
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SSVol said:
I think the real number is closer to 1% than anyone wants to admit. Maybe higher. The arguments that talk about there being more cases than we know, hence, lower mortality, are also missing the fact that deaths lag cases by a good while, weeks in some cases. That means that current deaths vs current cases isn't the real number, it's current deaths vs cases from a week or two ago. I focus on S. Korea specifically because they aren't showing many new cases now, which allows us a better picture of the real relationship between deaths and cases.
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I do not think it is even close to 1%
 
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SSVol said:
I think the real number is closer to 1% than anyone wants to admit. Maybe higher. The arguments that talk about there being more cases than we know, hence, lower mortality, are also missing the fact that deaths lag cases by a good while, weeks in some cases. That means that current deaths vs current cases isn't the real number, it's current deaths vs cases from a week or two ago. I focus on S. Korea specifically because they aren't showing many new cases now, which allows us a better picture of the real relationship between deaths and cases.
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And SK is not testing anywhere close to their whole population either...no symptons or light symptons not getting tested still matter in their numbers.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
And SK is not testing anywhere close to their whole population either...no symptons or light symptons not getting tested still matter in their numbers.
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They are not on lock down. Stores and restaurants are open, yet the virus is spreading very slowly. That suggests very strongly that they are doing a good job of tracing and identifying carriers. It doesn't matter how many you test if you test the right people. When they weren't ahead of it, it was spreading very rapidly. Even the dudes that said that only 6% of cases had been confirmed worldwide, said that SK was probably closer to 50%. Their current mortality is 1.93% and has been slowly creeping up for weeks. I stand by my estimate.
 
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vol72 said:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.

That, to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

That, whenever any form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

The Declaration of Independence


Benjamin Franklin was addressing ALL situations when he warned of the loss of essential liberties. Do you not see this is precisely a scenario to which he was referring? Government should never be able to dismiss our God-given rights. Our government is supposed to be the protector of our unalienable rights. It appears that certain government entities have become destructive of these ends. Their cure is a hundred times worse than their fake pandemic which is no more serious than the seasonal flu.

For serious study, you should research the eugenics movement begun by Margaret Sanger in the 1920s and the financial support given by the Rockefeller Foundation, Bill Gates, Ted Turner, and other elites. Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh is quoted as saying, “If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels." Many of these people embrace mandatory vaccinations and implantation of digital chips for all of humankind. Look into the ID2020 Alliance. The ID2020 Alliance is a digital identity program that aims to "leverage immunization" as a means of inserting tiny microchips into people's bodies.

The mark of the beast from Revelation 13 could be upon us now. You may not believe that this is happening; many people do not. But your understanding and acceptance of this will not make it any less real.
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Shouldn't you be posting this on Alex Jones' website or somewhere else where they're wearing tin foil? at least go to the politics board.
 
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Hey BaldBiker, of all the Cival War movies, mini-series, documentaries you have seen over the years, how would you rate them and what was your favorite? This is for others to chime in as well.
 
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GiggerVol said:
As for Civil War documentaries, I liked Ken Burn's 5 part series 1st aired back in 1990. Of course I like pretty much all of his work including the one on country music recently.
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Burns Civil War documentary is probably the most complete. I don't know of too many actual movies that I thought were great. Gettysburg was good, not great. However the book it was based off of, The Killer Angels, was probably the best 'fictional' book I have read on the war, albeit the story focused solely on Gettysburg But if we include movies, tv series, etc., that were based around the war, then there were some really great movies such as The Outlaw Josie Wales, or tv series such as Hell On Wheels.
 
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SSVol said:
They are not on lock down. Stores and restaurants are open, yet the virus is spreading very slowly. That suggests very strongly that they are doing a good job of tracing and identifying carriers. It doesn't matter how many you test if you test the right people. When they weren't ahead of it, it was spreading very rapidly. Even the dudes that said that only 6% of cases had been confirmed worldwide, said that SK was probably closer to 50%. Their current mortality is 1.93% and has been slowly creeping up for weeks. I stand by my estimate.
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I absolutely do not believe it is 2% of all infected, but that doesn't matter. I will buy it being closer to 1%. That is still 2% of "confirmed" cases. The true number is at least half that. Asymptomatic and almost none of the lightly symptomatic do not get tested anywhere. If you want to believe that crap then go for it.

Sorry I am not trying to be a dick or sound snarky.
 
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GiggerVol said:
As for Civil War documentaries, I liked Ken Burn's 5 part series 1st aired back in 1990. Of course I like pretty much all of his work including the one on country music recently.
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I love the one on National Parks. I wish everybody cared more for our nations treasures.
 
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