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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I just want to understand..Why do you and others consistently harp about a relative few deaths not being counted...and literally NEVER agree that the true numbers of untested infected absolutely destroys the mortality rate?
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Every death is bad, and I know a lot of people in the high-risk category that I'd rather keep healthy. On top of that, there is story after story of relatively young people getting this and dying with no known underlying conditions. It's few, but it's there

That said, the mortality rate isn't actually my primary concern. My primary concern is runaway hospitalizations. That's what I'd rather avoid. That's why I bring up hospitalizations more than anything.
 
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WriterVol said:
Every death is bad, and I know a lot of people in the high-risk category that I'd rather keep healthy. On top of that, there is story after story of relatively young people getting this and dying with no known underlying conditions. It's few, but it's there

That said, the mortality rate isn't actually my primary concern. My primary concern is runaway hospitalizations. That's what I'd rather avoid. That's why I bring up hospitalizations more than anything.
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I would say the world wide shelter in place has saved quite a few lives. I think the US is 95 percent, which is amazing.
 
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Weezer said:
People tend to forget about the whole "independent states" concept simply because all they've ever known is a federal government that holds more power than it should. I think(hope) we al would agree that slavery was wrong, but slavery wasn't the only motivation. It wasn't even the primary motivation though history has been rewritten to promote it as such. States' rights and how federal government tried to limit them was huge. The purpose was never to shed the shackles of the monarchy to simply don another set that left states beholden to a federal government. At least not IMO.
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This right here is the truth. That is why those of us who were taught in school about "states rights" understand that revisionist history is a bad thing.

As I have said before, the war did set other men free, and slavery was a great evil that needed to be scourged from our land...so I am, and always have been glad that the Union won, and it kept this land from being a fractured, balkanized mess constantly torn by battle. We have accomplished far greater things together, than we ever could have apart.

That being said, as much as I admire and am thankful for men like Lincoln and Chamberlain, I can still see men like Lee and Jackson as great heroes and yes...Americans..also for different reasons.
 
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WriterVol said:
Every death is bad, and I know a lot of people in the high-risk category that I'd rather keep healthy. On top of that, there is story after story of relatively young people getting this and dying with no known underlying conditions. It's few, but it's there

That said, the mortality rate isn't actually my primary concern. My primary concern is runaway hospitalizations. That's what I'd rather avoid. That's why I bring up hospitalizations more than anything.
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Then stop harping on and defending the mortality rate, it is not the reason to be afraid of Covid-19.

The absolutely ridiculous ease of transmission, the ability to "hide" in most of those infected, and it's brutality towards the old and sickly are the good reasons.

There are story after story of younger people dying from other things besides Covid-19, but we are not going to shut the world down for those are we?

Pick the right hill is all I am saying.
 
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SmokinBob said:
I’m so sorry
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Thanks SB.
Feel so bad for her family and my wife, don't know what to say. Want to comfort but not harp. Distract but not too much.

Wife was close to 5 people including her mom and 3 of them have passed. Only her mom naturally, from cancer. But all too young.
It's getting hard to tell her thats it's ok.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Then stop harping on and defending the mortality rate, it is not the reason to be afraid of Covid-19.

The absolutely ridiculous ease of transmission, the ability to "hide" in most of those infected, and it's brutality towards the old and sickly are the good reasons.

There are story after story of younger people dying from other things besides Covid-19, but we are not going to shut the world down for those are we?

Pick the right hill is all I am saying.
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Apologies. I didn't know I was "harping" on that.

I do feel a little defensive about people downplaying the possible deaths. Viruses are complicated. If they do organ damage, you can have a cardiac arrest that was caused by the virus. I don't know if that's happening, but there are articles with doctors and experts talking about all kinds of complications. Really, autopsies are needed to determine that kind of stuff, and understandably that doesn't seem to be a priority in hard hit areas.

But I do agree. We don't know the true mortality rate. For one, we are usually calculating it against active cases. Some number of those active cases will also result in death. There are some number of deaths in New York that are likely Covid related, and they aren't being counted. Those things would raise the number.

To your point, yes, there are a whole lot of people in this country that have it or have had it that aren't getting tested. That would obviously drop the mortality. That would also drop the hospitalization rate. That's good for everyone. Where that number sits is anyone's guess at this point. I don't have a good feel for guessing that, but South Korea is probably closer than the rest of the countries. If it's a really high number, that's going to help us on the other side of this first curve since more people should have an immunity for some time after.

But the transmission rate, as you have also said, is high. Too many cases too fast are going to complicate our ability to respond to those that do require hospitalization, and that number is much higher than the mortality rate. That's why I urge caution with thinking it's overblown.
 
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you know, there's obviously not a whole lot going on football wise these days...but unless it's all just smoke up the you know what, it sounds like TN is doing some really good things on the recruiting trail. seems like the bones of htis class are starting to form, and at least based on what's being reported, we have some general idea of what the board kinda looks like at this point.

as if this year couldn't be any weirder, i'm sure the recruiting calendar and season will get weirder, who knows what will happen if there is or is not an ESD, how visits will go, or when they'll happen....so im expecting this recruiting class to be a big time roller coaster before it's all said and done......

but, i do like some of the stuff that i'm reading about....seems like they're doing good work despite the circumstance.
 
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