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volbeast33 said:
That is bc Korea had a bad out break of MERS in 2015 which they struggled with testing.... they changed the way they did them which helped them prepare for this outbreak.
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And we apparently didn’t try to learn from them to better prepare ourselves.

You don’t want failures like these guys. So we shouldn’t be so quick to “oh, well...we’ll get em next time” then away.

It shows a startling lack of awareness and preparation if we didn’t adopt those learnings and just left ourselves to repeat the same mistakes (if as you point out that is why we failed).
 
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allvol123 said:
What high? The guy just says not all are being counted as corona. That really doesnt say anything. It literally does not even claim there are corona deaths not being counted, using his statement.
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For flu, the estimates are that flu deaths are 5-10x higher than the people die with confirmed flu cases, so we can expect the CV19 deaths to be higher (but I wouldn’t think the 5-10x given the high attention its getting).
 
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TennTradition said:
And we apparently didn’t try to learn from them to better prepare ourselves.

You don’t want failures like these guys. So we shouldn’t be so quick to “oh, well...we’ll get em next time” then away.

It shows a startling lack of awareness and preparation if we didn’t adopt those learnings and just left ourselves to repeat the same mistakes (if as you point out that is why we failed).
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What did we not adopt? We hadn’t seen their changes in action..... I’m sure we had a plan and thought it would work.... it struggles in the beginning but we corrected it and now have some of the best testing in the world.
 
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TennTradition said:
And we apparently didn’t try to learn from them to better prepare ourselves.

You don’t want failures like these guys. So we shouldn’t be so quick to “oh, well...we’ll get em next time” then away.

It shows a startling lack of awareness and preparation if we didn’t adopt those learnings and just left ourselves to repeat the same mistakes (if as you point out that is why we failed).
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I would venture guess that their success has as much to do with a lot less international travel or travel in general compared to a country like the US.
 
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TennTradition said:
With the same head start, South Korea had managed to test almost 200,000 PEOPLE by March 8 and the US had tested roughly 5,000 SPECIMENS (which probably represented roughly 2,000 people as each person was re-tested 2-3 times). That had nothing to do with distance of cities, total population, etc.

We botched February (not China, not the WHO). This is well-documented. It is fact. Before that there is blame on those guys.

But we were talking specifically about our failures in rolling out testing.

And it is beyond me why so many of you seem to want to argue otherwise six ways from Sunday. The facts are pretty clear on this.
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You are 100% correct. It was an epic fail. The CDC blew it, and the chances of containment with it. There is no way to spin that.
 
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volbeast33 said:
What did we not adopt? We hadn’t seen their changes in action..... I’m sure we had a plan and thought it would work.... it struggles in the beginning but we corrected it and now have some of the best testing in the world.
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We either botched it and then improved. Or we didn’t. Your unwillingness to admit we screwed it up concerns me because if others share that opinion then we won’t fix it in the future because we won’t recognize we made errors. I hope that others in the government are more critical of themselves than you’re willing to be.

As for what we failed to adopt - I have no idea. If they succeeded because they had a better plan then why didn’t we leverage it? They are an ally. We have officials who plan for pandemics. Don’t you think leveraging lessons learned from allies who have more experience in this would make sense? Do you know if we did that?

Either we did and failed to execute it or we didn’t which begs the question why not.

It’s still a botched February.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I would venture guess that their success has as much to do with a lot less international travel or travel in general compared to a country like the US.
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I’m not even talking about their success in corralling CV because I agree many factors go into that.

I’m specifically talking about one component of corralling CV - testing. And they put us to shame in their testing roll-out.
 
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TennTradition said:
We either botched it and then improved. Or we didn’t. Your unwillingness to admit we screwed it up concerns me because if others share that opinion then we won’t fix it in the future because we won’t recognize we made errors. I hope that others in the government are more critical of themselves than you’re willing to be.

As for what we failed to adopt - I have no idea. If they succeeded because they had a better plan then why didn’t we leverage it? They are an ally. We have officials who plan for pandemics. Don’t you think leveraging lessons learned from allies who have more experience in this would make sense? Do you know if we did that?

Either we did and failed to execute it or we didn’t which begs the question why not.

It’s still a botched February.
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You are not listening to what I have said.... people who claim it was botched are trying a
to blame someone.... no one is to blame..... take fire drills for instance..... have you ever practiced fire drills..... single line to a meeting point..... real fire..... half the people are running and screaming....I never said to accept anything.... I’m a sports coach..... you never sit on your a$$.... you keep working towards perfection.... is expect these government agencies to work to correct any errors they committed.
 
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volbeast33 said:
You are not listening to what I have said.... people who claim it was botched are trying a
to blame someone.... no one is to blame..... take fire drills for instance..... have you ever practiced fire drills..... single line to a meeting point..... real fire..... half the people are running and screaming....I never said to accept anything.... I’m a sports coach..... you never sit on your a$$.... you keep working towards perfection.... is expect these government agencies to work to correct any errors they committed.
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What do you do when the head coach is constantly telling the athletes not to work out too hard, maybe take it easy on preparation, no need to learn new plays?

Asking for a friend.
 
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TennTradition said:
No, you’re right about that. That’s fair.

I’m just saying that if 25-30 a day typically die and we are seeing over 200 a day now that strongly suggests that CV is contributing to that. But yes we don’t know how much. I can imagine several ways.....a) people are dying at home from COVID without a positive test (which we know had to be happening) or b) people aren’t going to hospitals for other complications either due to CV concerns or due to capacity issues and dying as a result.
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I dont even know who that guy is but the blatant attempt to sensationalize and mislead people is insane. I seriously doubt Covid deaths are going unreported in an amount that is statistically significant.
 
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lawgator1 said:
What do you do when the head coach is constantly telling the athletes not to work out too hard, maybe take it easy on preparation, no need to learn new plays?

Asking for a friend.
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We no longer mention Butch round here.
 
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TennTradition said:
For flu, the estimates are that flu deaths are 5-10x higher than the people die with confirmed flu cases, so we can expect the CV19 deaths to be higher (but I wouldn’t think the 5-10x given the high attention its getting).
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So you are saying a US yearly flu death reported as 50,000 could be 250,000 to 500,000? If so, the this is worse than the flu, in some ways, doesnt hold near as much water.
 
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lawgator1 said:
What do you do when the head coach is constantly telling the athletes not to work out too hard, maybe take it easy on preparation, no need to learn new plays?

Asking for a friend.
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a better comparison would be the head coach having a major issue but telling the assistant coaches to do what they can to keep all the players calm while they figure out what to about the situation.
 
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davethevol said:
People that get the flu shot stop die from the flu. There was a kid in East TN that passed away a few months back and they recieved the shot. It’s not as effective as people want to believe it is.
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I know it's obviously not a cure all by any means. I havent had a shot since HS and have had the flue 1 time in the last 25 years.
Having said that Im sure especially with the older generation there would be more deaths annually without it.
 
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TennTradition said:
It would be higher - but muted by the flu shot’s lack of efficacy some years. In general though it does tend to reduce the worse symptoms, which would make you think the death rate would be higher regardless of whether the right strains are included.
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Not that it matters just an interesting idea.
 
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