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#31,136
TennTradition said:
Testing early and often throughout February would have absolutely helped us contain this.

A bigger head start by China would have absolutely helped. That’s on them.


US and South Korea found out about their first case at the same time and then approved their tests at the same time. The difference is they isn’t bungle their tests kit design and roll-out and we did.
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You still didnt address the production level. its easier to sample a population of 50 million than it is 350 million and a wide range of land. CA has to get some and NY and Chicago and miami and NO and Houston. that's a much taller task. This is on China and WHO.
 
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I posted an article a while back from a US Military study that showed getting a flu shot increased the risk of getting the coronavirus by 36%, if I remember correctly. I believe it was from a Veterans site, but I’ve cleared my browser history since then.🤷‍♀️

Edit: found it... Flu Vaccine Increases Coronavirus Risk 36% Says Military Study
 
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utvols88 said:
You complain about the Admin, FDA and CDC and argue we should have leaned on WHO? Have you not seen their incompetence in line with China? Youd trust WHO with anything? As far as I'm concerned, this is a reason to withdraw from the shoddy org.
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No, not at all. I'm saying there was a lackadaisical attitude about it from the get go, particularly from Trump. If you can produce the tests and prefer them fine.

So fricking do it! This is insane!
 
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utvols88 said:
You still didnt address the production level. its easier to sample a population of 50 million than it is 350 million and a wide range of land. CA has to get some and NY and Chicago and miami and NO and Houston. that's a much taller task. This is on China and WHO.
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With the same head start, South Korea had managed to test almost 200,000 PEOPLE by March 8 and the US had tested roughly 5,000 SPECIMENS (which probably represented roughly 2,000 people as each person was re-tested 2-3 times). That had nothing to do with distance of cities, total population, etc.

We botched February (not China, not the WHO). This is well-documented. It is fact. Before that there is blame on those guys.

But we were talking specifically about our failures in rolling out testing.

And it is beyond me why so many of you seem to want to argue otherwise six ways from Sunday. The facts are pretty clear on this.
 
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volfanhill said:
There are always undecideds. And if it’s horrific many leaning Trumps way will break for the Dem. Conversely, if it’s not off the rails and the economy is marching up to speed, many leaning Dem will break for Trump. The win/loss is in the margins of about 7 states and handful of counties.
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That’s fair. You’re right on all that. I just thought you meant specifically here on VN or here in America.
 
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utvols88 said:
You complain about the Admin, FDA and CDC and argue we should have leaned on WHO? Have you not seen their incompetence in line with China? Youd trust WHO with anything? As far as I'm concerned, this is a reason to withdraw from the shoddy org.
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that's a foolish point of view....the tests that the CDC / FDA developed were faulty. WHO does not equal China.
 
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allvol123 said:
What high? The guy just says not all are being counted as corona. That really doesnt say anything. It literally does not even claim there are corona deaths not being counted, using his statement.
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No, you’re right about that. That’s fair.

I’m just saying that if 25-30 a day typically die and we are seeing over 200 a day now that strongly suggests that CV is contributing to that. But yes we don’t know how much. I can imagine several ways.....a) people are dying at home from COVID without a positive test (which we know had to be happening) or b) people aren’t going to hospitals for other complications either due to CV concerns or due to capacity issues and dying as a result.
 
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TennTradition said:
Testing early and often throughout February would have absolutely helped us contain this.

A bigger head start by China would have absolutely helped. That’s on them.


US and South Korea found out about their first case at the same time and then approved their tests at the same time. The difference is they isn’t bungle their tests kit design and roll-out and we did.
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That is bc Korea had a bad out break of MERS in 2015 which they struggled with testing.... they changed the way they did them which helped them prepare for this outbreak.
 
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