Gun control debate (merged)

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OHvol40 said:
History tells us that hunting does need to be regulated because people aren’t capable of regulating themselves. This a proven, historical fact. So unless you like seeing species become extinct from excessive unregulated hunting, like they have in the past, then yes, hunting regulation is necessary. Anything else is just short-sighted.

Statistics also tell us that gun regulations work in the prevention of gun violence. Wish that weren’t true, but again, human nature dictates that people can’t or won’t police themselves. I’m of the opinion that not everyone deserves the privilege of gun ownership, because it’s a responsibility, and a serious one.
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LMFAO!
 
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Mick said:
They are 100% in it for the money. If some meth head goes in and want's to buy a gun all twitchy like but he passed the BGC, What would you do? Hide behind some lawyer if he kills someone the next day? Next time you're in one, ask the shopkeeper about it.
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I asked you for your own personal experience, not a hypothetical.

Regardless, if the guy is a "meth head" and "twitchy", the shop owner is within his right to withhold the sale because it would be obvious he lied on the Form 4473, you know that pesky question 11 e. ?
 
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hog88 said:
I consider deer to be overpopulated when they are eating my landscaping to nothing, laying around in my yard with no fear and getting hit daily on the road.
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Haha ok. Most people put it in population per sq mile, but you do you.
 
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hndog609 said:
I'm sympathetic to your hunting (and conservation in general) approach for the most part. It's simply a numbers game. Having said that one should be able to take whatever/whenever on one's private property.

I'm much less sympathetic with most of what I've seen from your firearms postings.
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Ok, well it’s taken monumental conservation efforts for Americans to even have the opportunity to hunt most species today. I consider it a great American success story that involved millions of people over many decades. There is a lot of literature on it.

We can agree to disagree on the guns. I have to admit I’m torn a lot of times on gun issues as a gun owner and avid hunter, but also a medical professional that works in trauma in a fairly large metro area. With that perspective, I view gun ownership as a responsibility rather than a right to be distributed indiscriminately.
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
For one, people are capable of regulating themselves, but that's besides the point. Regulation leads to overregulation leads to overbearing government. And we sure as hell know government is incapable of regulating itself.

Gun ownership is a right, not a privilege. I'm sure plenty of people in Chicago and LA would disagree with your assertion that gun regulations prevent violence.
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Well, Chicago and LA are American cities... so is your point that American laws don’t currently prevent gun violence? If so, I would agree... although I’ve worked in hospitals in Tennessee and West Virginia and can assure you that gun violence isn’t exclusive to cities.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Ok, well it’s taken monumental conservation efforts for Americans to even have the opportunity to hunt most species today. I consider it a great American success story that involved millions of people over many decades. There is a lot of literature on it.

We can agree to disagree on the guns. I have to admit I’m torn a lot of times on gun issues as a gun owner and avid hunter, but also a medical professional that works in trauma in a fairly large metro area. With that perspective, I view gun ownership as a reponsibility rat hater than a right to be distributed indiscriminately.
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It is quite reasonable for you to wish you didn’t have to see the result of gun violence in your everyday job. I made that same statement to some else recently. The challenge on you is not to take your completely reasonable emotional view ( I am not throwing shade there. It is reasonable if you see if every day) and impose needless restrictions on me for something that I clearly am not at fault for. And that isn’t necessarily easy.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
It is quite reasonable for you to wish you didn’t have to see the result of gun violence in your everyday job. I made that same statement to some else recently. The challenge on you is not to take your completely reasonable emotional view ( I am not throwing shade there. It is reasonable if you see if every day) and impose needless restrictions on me for something that I clearly am not at fault for. And that isn’t necessarily easy.
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I don’t want to impose anything on anyone that has shown they can be a responsible citizen. There are those who have clearly demonstrated patterns that prove they are a danger to themselves or others and the responsibility of gun ownership isn’t something they can handle.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Well, Chicago and LA are American cities... so is your point that American laws don’t currently prevent gun violence? If so, I would agree... although I’ve worked in hospitals in Tennessee and West Virginia and can assure you that gun violence isn’t exclusive to cities.
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The gun laws of Chicago and the state of Illinois and the gun laws of LA and California certainly dont work. All they do is infringe on a constitutional right.
 
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OHvol40 said:
I don’t want to impose anything on anyone that has shown they can be a responsible citizen. There are those who have clearly demonstrated patterns that prove they are a danger to themselves or others and the responsibility of gun ownership isn’t something they can handle.
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The issue revolves around respecting those citizens rights while determining their gun ownership capacity.

Red flag laws scare the hell out of me. I don’t trust the government because I simply think they are incompetent, any malfeasance they might have is just on top of their fundamental incompetence.
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
The gun laws of Chicago and the state of Illinois and the gun laws of LA and California certainly dont work. All they do is infringe on a constitutional right.
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So you keep sidestepping everything else I’m saying. Those places follow federal guidelines, and they are also not the only places where people get shot up. Wherever you are typing this from in the US also has a history of gun violence, I promise.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Wait, what? Help me understand what you mean here... and keep in mind the goalposts are stationary.
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You posted:

Statistics also tell us that gun regulations work in the prevention of gun violence.
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I replied:

How many mass shootings did we have back when you could order a gun out of the Sears and Roebuck catalog and have it delivered to your house?
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Then you posted a BS study about universal BGCs reducing gun violence. Find the stats before there was BGCs period.
 
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OHvol40 said:
So you keep sidestepping everything else I’m saying. Those places follow federal guidelines, and they are also not the only places where people get shot up. Wherever you are typing this from in the US also has a history of gun violence, I promise.
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Those areas also have gun laws that are stricter than federal gun laws, and yet those areas have worse crime rates than many places with less restrictive gun laws.
 
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37L1 said:
I asked you for your own personal experience, not a hypothetical.

Regardless, if the guy is a "meth head" and "twitchy", the shop owner is within his right to withhold the sale because it would be obvious he lied on the Form 4473, you know that pesky question 11 e. ?
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Personally, I don't have friends like that and have never heard the horror stories of being denied a gun. The first hunting rifle I bought was kicked for further review during the BGC, I got it the next day.
So, do you personally know anyone that has had to hire a lawyer because someone wouldn't sell them a gun?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
The issue revolves around respecting those citizens rights while determining their gun ownership capacity.

Red flag laws scare the hell out of me. I don’t trust the government because I simply think they are incompetent, any malfeasance they might have is just on top of their fundamental incompetence.
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Well government is the regulating agency we have. I share the distrust but I guess my answer is if you don’t trust the people who represent your interests there then choose more wisely.

Doing nothing when you have a clear problem that other parts of the world don’t have is... well it’s just dumb.
 
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