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Smokey'sHandler said:
It has to be. Personally I believe that the coronavirus is more contagious than the flu and can cause more severe symptoms therefore you will have more hospitalizations causing healthcare infrastructure + logistical issues. If the contagiousness of the coronavirus is true that means it can bring on more severe symptoms but is far less deadly than the flu.
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"Can cause" isn't really helpful. Sometimes this has severe symptoms. Sometimes it doesn't such is the case with Kevin Durant, Rand Paul and Prince Charles. But you also say it's far less deadly than the flu. I'm puzzled as to your point
 
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I40flyer said:
Pres. Trump knew more than most, and acted faster than anyone else. In FACT he was accused by the libs (commies) of being a racist and xenophobic because he acted so quickly! Based on the fact that he appears to be the only one ACTING and acting early, why would anyone doubt that he knew it was a pandemic?
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Maybe because he said "we currently have 15 cases and that number will be about zero in a few days".
 
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I40flyer said:
Pres. Trump knew more than most, and acted faster than anyone else. In FACT he was accused by the libs (commies) of being a racist and xenophobic because he acted so quickly! Based on the fact that he appears to be the only one ACTING and acting early, why would anyone doubt that he knew it was a pandemic?
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They need to create a playbook from this experience. The very first play needs to be lock down the country as soon as possible. A lot of these viruses tend to raise up in china or other Asian countries. There are two whole oceans between us. At first word of a possible epidemic spreading in those areas lock down all international travel into your country. If we could have done this we could have potentially prevented the spread into our country. Politics and how you feel about whatever phobia some others may have needs to be put aside.
 
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Stew Cook said:
So, Death Rate, technically, is the number who die while diagnosed with the virus, while Mortality Rate is the percentage of persons infected who die as a result of contracting the virus.

Still confounding, but breaks down to total deaths vs percentage of deaths. Assuming I'm still not confused, Mortality Rate will never be accurate because some people infected will not be accounted for.
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I don’t think death rate is an official term. Just ones folks use to mean different things. It could be people dying per day. The rate that deaths are climbing (deaths/day/day) or mortality rate (deaths per 100 infected). Just saying that different usages are leading to some of the confusion in this discussion.
 
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luthervol said:
Maybe because he said "we currently have 15 cases and that number will be about zero in a few days".
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He knew it was a pandemic before some of the experts, and since it was just that one Chinese guy, it was under control. 15 to 0 soon folks... gone in Spring with a miracle... Party on Easter!

The man is a frickin' genius!!
 
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Stew Cook said:
Your Trump drivel is mildly infectious, but most on here have had that disease for a while.

Move a patient or move a ventilator, take your pick, in some cases one makes more sense over the other. But if what Trump thinks influences your decision, you should offer a disclaimer.
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HAHAHAHAHAH Man you are smart! First it's, The hospitals are going to overflow because those infected (and on respirators) can't be moved anywhere else! FALSE. I did like the, "I can't find anything about being able to move a patient that is on a respirator", I'm sure that is true, but just about anyone else can find the info in a matter of seconds. Anyone reading this string can see you are a lib-dem with a hatred of Pres. Trump, so much so, you slant facts, make up lies, and generally make a fool of your self. You don't need a disclaimer regarding your hate for America-your posts speak for themselves. SAD
 
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Septic said:
I've worked as an RN and for a pharmaceutical company, we're a year away from vaccines, minimum. I've forgotten more than he will ever know about healthcare. His pet shop treatments are going to kill people, he's not a physician and should STFU.
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People who die by drinking aquarium cleaner because they found a similar word in the ingredient list have done the job that natural selection should have taken care of long, long ago
 
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I40flyer said:
HAHAHAHAHAH Man you are smart! First it's, The hospitals are going to overflow because those infected (and on respirators) can't be moved anywhere else! FALSE. I did like the, "I can't find anything about being able to move a patient that is on a respirator", I'm sure that is true, but just about anyone else can find the info in a matter of seconds. Anyone reading this string can see you are a lib-dem with a hatred of Pres. Trump, so much so, you slant facts, make up lies, and generally make a fool of your self. You don't need a disclaimer regarding your hate for America-your posts speak for themselves. SAD
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You are as fragile as Trump's ego.
 
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I40flyer said:
HAHAHAHAHAH Man you are smart! First it's, The hospitals are going to overflow because those infected (and on respirators) can't be moved anywhere else! FALSE. I did like the, "I can't find anything about being able to move a patient that is on a respirator", I'm sure that is true, but just about anyone else can find the info in a matter of seconds. Anyone reading this string can see you are a lib-dem with a hatred of Pres. Trump, so much so, you slant facts, make up lies, and generally make a fool of your self. You don't need a disclaimer regarding your hate for America-your posts speak for themselves. SAD
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Question that's boggling everyone's mind...


What's it taste like?
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
Ok this subject fascinates me because Ive seen WC fraud by a company who was in the process of merging to create a health system. They denied every wc claim for months, even those that were rock solid. That was in Indiana. All the complainants had to get lawyers.
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So I'm not in claims but the reason behind that is to determine coverage. So two companies have their own WC, they merge. They probably had the negotiations on whose policy would be used between the two entities and the carrier. Now if claims start coming in, date of injury matters and must be investigated. Sometimes there can be some disagreements on a multitude of things such as New carrier thinks old carrier should cover and vice versa and now no one is covering it. Itll take lawyers to make a case to one of them, if not both in a mediated subrogation. Pretty much its lawyer jargon vs lawyer jargon because the civil suit sector is broken.
 
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Spring time, hot weather and lots of UV light is just around the corner-in all but maybe 10 counties in the US, this crap will be coming to an end. The Z-Pak, works very well for those infected, the med is cheap and available, and it's been around for so long, almost everything is known about these drugs.
 
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Sea Ray said:
"Can cause" isn't really helpful. Sometimes this has severe symptoms. Sometimes it doesn't such is the case with Kevin Durant, Rand Paul and Prince Charles. But you also say it's far less deadly than the flu. I'm puzzled as to your point
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Read my previous post about comparing current case rates to the common flu. Are we under the current understanding that this virus spreads faster than the flu? If so you have to understand just how quick the flu has traveled other the past year by looking at positive tests. For the flu season of 2019-Jan 25,2020 (I am going to assume 13 months) we had 19 million cases of the flu in the US. This translates to 337,278 cases/week. Take this over a 3 week period like the corona virus and we would have 1,011,834 cases. Coronavirus has killed 1,054 in 3 weeks. The flu death rate is 0.1% so over a 3 week time frame the flu would kill 1,011 people.

So from this we can conclude either:

A.) This thing is not near as contagious as the flu. If so it does indeed have a higher death rate than the flu.
B.) If we assume that this virus is more contagious than the flu it has infected more than 1,011,834 people in the 3 weeks it has been here. With the current amount of deaths in our country it is less deadly than the flu.

I personally believe it is far more contagious than the flu and far less deadly.
 
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Smokey'sHandler said:
Death rate is what has caused several in the US and the world to go on a full on shut down. When you have something that supposedly spreads like wildfire and supposedly kills at a 1-2% clip which is 10%-20% of the flu you're going to cause widespread panic especially with a particularly hard flu season this year.

If the virus is truly as contagious as what the epidemiologists and scientists are saying you are going to have far more than 68,000 positive cases in 3 weeks. Let's take this year's flu for example: There have been 19 million flu cases in the US from 2019-Jan 2020 which equates to 337,278 cases per week. Over a 3 week time span we have only 69,219 corona virus cases. In a 3 week span we have see on average 1,011,834 flu cases.

If the coronavirus were as equally contagious as the flu and in theory we haven't been able to adequately test the 1,011,834 that is infected that would have the death rate being 1,054/1,011,834 = 0.1% which is the exact same death rate of the flu. If this virus is any more contagious than the flu and spreads at even a fraction faster it is then less than as deadly as the common flu.

So if we work under the assumption that this thing spreads more rapidly than the common flu than the death rate is nothing that warrants a full shut down as what's been happening. The only justification to keep the masses at home the is the premise that this thing is far more deadly than the flu. In order to say that you then have to back off on how contagious it is. And if it's not as contagious why keep people at home?

Both assumptions about the virus are working directly against one another.
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Based on this data:

Weekly U.S. Influenza Surveillance Report (FluView)

It looks to me like the actual positive tests are only about 273,000 between public health labs and clinics. That’s through 11 weeks of the season, so about 25,000 cases a week.

I think the millions of cases figured is them modeled. Just as models currently suggest that a few million are infected with SARS-CoV-2, but testing is going to indicate a lower number. I won’t claim to know what the actual number is.

I think modeling hospitalizations is probably the best tool we have during an epidemic because there’s too much uncertainty in total case count.

It’s why I keep going back to the Princess Diamond numbers because they are some of the best we have and were a decent sample size. Based on that, a demographic-adjusted mortality rate of 0.8% seems reasonable.
 
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luthervol said:
Maybe because he said "we currently have 15 cases and that number will be about zero in a few days".
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A QUOTE, is what the person said, not your interpretation! this is dishonest, even if you leave out one word, it is dishonest. But crap like this has never stopped the libs or commies.
 
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Sea Ray said:
I was referencing raw numbers and by that standard I was 100% correct, as was the President. If you don't like that standard then feel free to give us other numbers. As to who's doing a "better job" as you put it, I didn't go there. I in no way attempted to compare Trump to other leaders.

At the very least, admit you changed the standard in calling my numbers wrong. At least give us that
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I used the correct standard. Your standard is pointless and misleading. That's why Trumpsters tout it.
 
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