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hog88 said:
A person can make a logical reason for shutting dow restaurants and such (I disagree with them) but telling people to social distance then shut down great places to do that has no logic behind it.
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"Social distancing" also means cutting down the trips. Yes, you're definitely distanced at parks and golf courses, but it's an added trip beyond what you'd otherwise make...that's my point. Extra trip to the store, extra trip to a gas station, extra trip to a liquor store, etc. Not saying it's right or wrong, just that it does have some logic behind it.

Although I question the draconian nature of the shutdown (i.e., there's no differentiation between low and high risk groups), the best way to not spread the virus is just to never leave your house at all, or only leave it to go get essentials.
 
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If this disease fails to wreak the havoc that has been forecast, what group(s) reap the generational distrust that will develop? Healthcare? Government?
 
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05_never_again said:
"Social distancing" also means cutting down the trips. Yes, you're definitely distanced at parks and golf courses, but it's an added trip beyond what you'd otherwise make...that's my point. Extra trip to the store, extra trip to a gas station, extra trip to a liquor store, etc. Not saying it's right or wrong, just that it does have some logic behind it.

Although I question the draconian nature of the shutdown (i.e., there's no differentiation between low and high risk groups), the best way to not spread the virus is just to never leave your house at all, or only leave it to go get essentials.
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Enough! I’m mad and I want to be mad. I’m now stuck in the house with my wife for the next 4 days.
 
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TennTradition said:
I think the miscommunication is around the term death rate.

Someone used it above meaning deaths/day or the rate that total deaths was growing.

But others use death rate to mean mortality rate, or percentage of cases that lead to death. It’s this one that goes down with more testing, obviously.
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So, Death Rate, technically, is the number who die while diagnosed with the virus, while Mortality Rate is the percentage of persons infected who die as a result of contracting the virus.

Still confounding, but breaks down to total deaths vs percentage of deaths. Assuming I'm still not confused, Mortality Rate will never be accurate because some people infected will not be accounted for.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
In some alternate timeline in a galaxy far, far away:
Me: “ok @0nelilreb this Judge is our last chance to get that speeding ticket dismissed and keep your insurance down. You need to convince her you’re worth a second chance. Be sincere.”
@0nelilreb: “Judge, you’re a wrinkled old libtard elitist shrew, and that robe makes your ass looks big, but not in a good way. Even if you let me out of this ticket I’ll never vote for you... @RockyTop85, why are you looking at me like that? You said be sincere.”
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You got a like because that is so not him.
 
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TennTradition said:
I think the miscommunication is around the term death rate.

Someone used it above meaning deaths/day or the rate that total deaths was growing.

But others use death rate to mean mortality rate, or percentage of cases that lead to death. It’s this one that goes down with more testing, obviously.
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Death rate is what has caused several in the US and the world to go on a full on shut down. When you have something that supposedly spreads like wildfire and supposedly kills at a 1-2% clip which is 10%-20% of the flu you're going to cause widespread panic especially with a particularly hard flu season this year.

If the virus is truly as contagious as what the epidemiologists and scientists are saying you are going to have far more than 68,000 positive cases in 3 weeks. Let's take this year's flu for example: There have been 19 million flu cases in the US from 2019-Jan 2020 which equates to 337,278 cases per week. Over a 3 week time span we have only 69,219 corona virus cases. In a 3 week span we have see on average 1,011,834 flu cases.

If the coronavirus were as equally contagious as the flu and in theory we haven't been able to adequately test the 1,011,834 that is infected that would have the death rate being 1,054/1,011,834 = 0.1% which is the exact same death rate of the flu. If this virus is any more contagious than the flu and spreads at even a fraction faster it is then less than as deadly as the common flu.

So if we work under the assumption that this thing spreads more rapidly than the common flu than the death rate is nothing that warrants a full shut down as what's been happening. The only justification to keep the masses at home the is the premise that this thing is far more deadly than the flu. In order to say that you then have to back off on how contagious it is. And if it's not as contagious why keep people at home?

Both assumptions about the virus are working directly against one another.
 
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luthervol said:
Degrees and continuums are the only defense.
My politics are shaped by my moral values.
You justify by normalizing and ignoring degrees and continuums - that's where we differ.....completely.
And that's precisely how we end up with different "truths".
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Yes, You live in the world where contradiction and hypocrisy are good.
 
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Stew Cook said:
I think the problem is that by the time an infected person requires a ventilator, which is why they need to be in an ICU, moving the patient isn't an option.

If there were a way to predict which patients were going to ultimately need a ventialtor, then I suppose patients could be moved. I just see moving patients as being a nightmare of logistics. Bringing ventilators, medical personel, and equipment to the hot spots seems more feasible, but if the virus can't be contained it all goes to hell anyway.
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Actually you would be wrong, once again. Patients on ventilators are often moved, both in the hospital and from one hospital to another. Every day, patients are moved within the facility where they are being treated, to the MRI for example. Medical Helicopters transport patients-on ventilators-every day. There current science and medicine are just thrown out the window if it helps the anti Trump argument. It looks foolish, and is sad.
 
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evillawyer said:
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A few things to consider here:

1) We're by far the largest of those (honest) countries. You can't trust numbers from state run media

2) We're testing more than any other country. Isn't that what the Trump critics were pushing for?

3) All these case numbers are bogus. Nobody's testing everyone. The only accurate numbers are fatalities
 
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I read where Cheesecake Factory is refusing to pay rent for any of their restaurants that was ordered to close. Curious what you guys thought about that?
 
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allvol123 said:
If this disease fails to wreak the havoc that has been forecast, what group(s) reap the generational distrust that will develop? Healthcare? Government?
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We all hope it fails to wreak the havoc foretasted.
My take will be that social distancing helped; how much? .....will always be unknowable.
It seems ridiculous to blame the media when it was a world wide event and many countries responded much more aggressively than did the US.
And if any media is to blame, it would be social media. It was the social media coming out of China that was the foundation.
Was that a good thing or a bad thing? Or maybe a little of both?
 
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