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joevol33 said:
We had a poster here brag about picking up illegals in 2016. I know illegals, there are many of them here, they vote, even wear the little stickers afterwards. You are in denial, or have no clue.
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Read the numbers and studies, they don't lie. Another right-wing boogeyman that doesn't exist in reality.
 
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#20,962
Septic said:
Did you just quote John Bolton's angry response as proof trump didn't fire the pandemic response team? LOL Your cherry picked, uncited quotes won't dig you out from under this. Trying to obfuscate this through highlighted and bolded text from a trump supporter who was probably balls deep into the removal isn't a very convincing argument.

As a result of any argument made, the U.S. was woefully unprepared for this - despite warnings. Trump trying to shift blame to the former administration is laughable.

Coronavirus: Did Trump's decision to nix pandemic team hinder response

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ite-house-office-global-pandemics-eliminated/

'I don't take responsibility at all': Trump deflects blame for coronavirus testing fumble
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You're talking nonsense. How is it uncited cherrypicking when I direct you to the WaPo editorial by Tim Morrision, who was in charge of and creating the consolidated directorate discussed? Your reluctance to read rebuttal material is not my problem, but I'll try again and make it easy:
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Fmr. NSC official: The WH didn’t ‘dissolve’ pandemic response office, but made it stronger. ‘I was there.’
On Friday in the midst of the global coronavirus crisis, one-time Obama appointee to the National Security Council (NSC) Beth Cameron wrote in a Washington Post op-ed that the Trump administration’s response to COVID-19 had been “slow and inadequate.” She suggested the reason for that was the closure of the NSC’s Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense.

But on Monday, Tim Morrison, former senior director for counterproliferation and biodefense on the National Security Council responded in the Post in an editorial entitled, “No, the White House didn’t ‘dissolve’ its pandemic response office. I was there.”

Morrison angrily charged that Cameron was simply taking part in a Dem-crafted election-year political narrative and that she was not telling the truth about the office’s closure.

“It has been alleged by multiple officials of the Obama administration, including in The Post, that the president and his then-national security adviser, John Bolton, “dissolved the office” at the White House in charge of pandemic preparedness,” wrote Morrison. “Because I led the very directorate assigned that mission, the counterproliferation and biodefense office, for a year and then handed it off to another official who still holds the post, I know the charge is specious.”

“It is true that the Trump administration has seen fit to shrink the NSC staff. But the bloat that occurred under the previous administration clearly needed a correction,” he continued.

He pointed out that former Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who served in the Obama administration, agreed with congressional oversight committees and other members of the Obama administration that the NSC had grown too large and needed a course correction from being too operationally focused. He referenced a 2015 Post article that found between the time of the Clinton administration and the second term of the Obama administration, NSC staff “had quadrupled in size, to nearly 400 people.”

“That is why Trump began streamlining the NSC staff in 2017,” wrote Morrison.

Sweeping away the fog, he told how a reorganization within the NSC actually resulted in a stronger directorate.

“One such move at the NSC was to create the counterproliferation and biodefense directorate,” said Morrison, “which was the result of consolidating three directorates into one, given the obvious overlap between arms control and nonproliferation, weapons of mass destruction terrorism, and global health and biodefense. It is this reorganization that critics have misconstrued or intentionally misrepresented. If anything, the combined directorate was stronger because related expertise could be commingled.”

He went on to insist that even with a continuing effort underway to trim the NSC fat, “it has left the biodefense staff unaffected — perhaps a recognition of the importance of that mission to the president, who, after all, in 2018 issued a presidential memorandum to finally create real accountability in the federal government’s expansive biodefense system.”
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Further, your Politico link doesn't make your case that "Trump had a month..." - what month and what did Trump not do during it?

Instead, your link quotes Fauci told lawmakers on the House Oversight Committee on Thursday that “the system is not really geared to what we need right now” in and called the testing system “a failing.” We know that failing is the staid bureaucracies of CDC and FDA insisting on being the funnel through which everything must travel, and resulted in almost no testing Feb and early Mar. Since, Dr. Birx states we tested 250K last week alone. That's the 'new system', the Trump system, not the broken system Trump inherited to borrow a phrase from O.
 
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NCFisher said:
You're talking nonsense. How is it uncited cherrypicking when I direct you to the WaPo editorial by Tim Morrision, who was in charge of and creating the consolidated directorate discussed? Your reluctance to read rebuttal material is not my problem, but I'll try again and make it easy:
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Fmr. NSC official: The WH didn’t ‘dissolve’ pandemic response office, but made it stronger. ‘I was there.’
On Friday in the midst of the global coronavirus crisis, one-time Obama appointee to the National Security Council (NSC) Beth Cameron wrote in a Washington Post op-ed that the Trump administration’s response to COVID-19 had been “slow and inadequate.” She suggested the reason for that was the closure of the NSC’s Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense.

But on Monday, Tim Morrison, former senior director for counterproliferation and biodefense on the National Security Council responded in the Post in an editorial entitled, “No, the White House didn’t ‘dissolve’ its pandemic response office. I was there.”

Morrison angrily charged that Cameron was simply taking part in a Dem-crafted election-year political narrative and that she was not telling the truth about the office’s closure.

“It has been alleged by multiple officials of the Obama administration, including in The Post, that the president and his then-national security adviser, John Bolton, “dissolved the office” at the White House in charge of pandemic preparedness,” wrote Morrison. “Because I led the very directorate assigned that mission, the counterproliferation and biodefense office, for a year and then handed it off to another official who still holds the post, I know the charge is specious.”

“It is true that the Trump administration has seen fit to shrink the NSC staff. But the bloat that occurred under the previous administration clearly needed a correction,” he continued.

He pointed out that former Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who served in the Obama administration, agreed with congressional oversight committees and other members of the Obama administration that the NSC had grown too large and needed a course correction from being too operationally focused. He referenced a 2015 Post article that found between the time of the Clinton administration and the second term of the Obama administration, NSC staff “had quadrupled in size, to nearly 400 people.”

“That is why Trump began streamlining the NSC staff in 2017,” wrote Morrison.

Sweeping away the fog, he told how a reorganization within the NSC actually resulted in a stronger directorate.

“One such move at the NSC was to create the counterproliferation and biodefense directorate,” said Morrison, “which was the result of consolidating three directorates into one, given the obvious overlap between arms control and nonproliferation, weapons of mass destruction terrorism, and global health and biodefense. It is this reorganization that critics have misconstrued or intentionally misrepresented. If anything, the combined directorate was stronger because related expertise could be commingled.”

He went on to insist that even with a continuing effort underway to trim the NSC fat, “it has left the biodefense staff unaffected — perhaps a recognition of the importance of that mission to the president, who, after all, in 2018 issued a presidential memorandum to finally create real accountability in the federal government’s expansive biodefense system.”
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Further, your Politico link doesn't make your case that "Trump had a month..." - what month and what did Trump not do during it?

Instead, your link quotes Fauci told lawmakers on the House Oversight Committee on Thursday that “the system is not really geared to what we need right now” in and called the testing system “a failing.” We know that failing is the staid bureaucracies of CDC and FDA insisting on being the funnel through which everything must travel, and resulted in almost no testing Feb and early Mar. Since, Dr. Birx states we tested 250K last week alone. That's the 'new system', the Trump system, not the broken system Trump inherited to borrow a phrase from O.
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I thought I told you that your wall of highlighted and bolded text from trumps administration shills was unconvincing?
 
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#20,968
DinkinFlicka said:
Enjoying the gorgeous weather on my porch swing waiting for my girlfriend's lunch break. We're making Cuban sandwiches today.
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Got to give you a like for Cuban sandwiches.

It’s only been a few years since I was in NJ where my mother was born and raised. Still have family there (Sicilian side).

Union NJ is where we would go, lots of ethnic eateries where we’d order a Cuban sandwich and an expresso.
 
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#20,969
Septic said:
Did he say it would vanish in the same sense that he also said Mexico would pay for the wall? Like, "I'm acting serious now, but if it doesn't work out - I was clearly just kidding?"
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Haven't you noticed the dramatic decline in illegal border crossings and so-called asylum entries, and no C.American caravans? Who's paying for that virtual wall at Mexico's southern border? Even as Democrats would throw the doors open, pandemic or not?

I'll settle for cost-sharing with Mexico.
 
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Septic said:
I thought I told you that your wall of highlighted and bolded text from trumps administration shills was unconvincing?
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So, like Animal Farm, some WaPo articles are more equal than other WaPo articles?
Weak like water, man. But yeah, I'll dismiss the senior director's statement and believe random VN caterwauling.
 
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