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bnhunt said:
The Second Amendment Does Not Transcend All Others
"Its text and context don’t ensure an unlimited individual right to bear any kind and number of weapons by anyone."
The title of the article is perfect. You people think the 2A transcends all others.
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That opinion piece fairly reeks of targeting an audience either too ignorant of or too lazy to look up all the things in Heller that don't support his conclusions. A few notable (but hardly the only) examples.

The phrase “keep arms” was not prevalent in the written documents of the founding period that we have found, but there are a few examples, all of which favor viewing the right to “keep Arms” as an individual right unconnected with militia service.

From our review of founding-era sources, we conclude that this natural meaning was also the meaning that “bear arms” had in the 18th century. In numerous instances, “bear arms” was unambiguously used to refer to the carrying of weapons outside of an organized militia. The most prominent examples are those most relevant to the Second Amendment : Nine state constitutional provisions written in the 18th century or the first two decades of the 19th, which enshrined a right of citizens to “bear arms in defense of themselves and the state” or “bear arms in defense of himself and the state.” 8 It is clear from those formulations that “bear arms” did not refer only to carrying a weapon in an organized military unit. Justice James Wilson interpreted the Pennsylvania Constitution’s arms-bearing right, for example, as a recognition of the natural right of defense “of one’s person or house”—what he called the law of “self preservation.” 2 Collected Works of James Wilson 1142, and n. x (K. Hall & M. Hall eds. 2007) (citing Pa. Const., Art. IX, §21 (1790)); see also T. Walker, Introduction to American Law 198 (1837) (“Thus the right of self-defence [is] guaranteed by the [Ohio] constitution”); see also id., at 157 (equating Second Amendment with that provision of the Ohio Constitution). That was also the interpretation of those state constitutional provisions adopted by pre-Civil War state courts.9 These provisions demonstrate—again, in the most analogous linguistic context—that “bear arms” was not limited to the carrying of arms in a militia.

Meaning of the Operative Clause. Putting all of these textual elements together, we find that they guarantee the individual right to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation. This meaning is strongly confirmed by the historical background of the Second Amendment . We look to this because it has always been widely understood that the Second Amendment , like the First and Fourth Amendment s, codified a pre-existing right. The very text of the Second Amendment implicitly recognizes the pre-existence of the right and declares only that it “shall not be infringed.” As we said in United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542, 553 (1876) , “[t]his is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. The Second amendment declares that it shall not be infringed …
 
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bnhunt said:
I would say the person who feels the need to own 15 AR-14s is probably the nut job.
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This will keep you safe when folks come to take your stuff or harm your family in the middle of the night lol. I don't feel the need to own alot of things but I want to own 6 vehicles, 2 tractors, 3 ATvs, 30 kitchen knives, and 100+ fishing rods and I can only use one of those at a time either. It ain't none of your dang business if I want ,need, desire, covet, or it makes me smile when I go to sleep at night. If I have the means to buy them I will.
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1972 Grad said:
Supposedly, we have bnhunt, evil lawyer, and lawgator as our resident legal staff on the forum. WTF happened? Well, I have always had a low opinion of lawyers, so at least they aren't changing my mind.
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My low opinion of lawyers began when my sister married one some 40 years ago. Lowlife, thieving scumbag, worthless, dumbass come to mind and yes he’s about as anti-gun as any leftist can get.
 
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0nelilreb said:
Notice how quiet it is in here now ? Apparently during a world wide pandemic , with mandatory shelter in place curfews , just isn’t the right time to be telling us how our 2a isn’t that important in today’s civilized society . Lol
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I was thinking about starting a list of all the things that "will never happen" according to both sides. Because this lock down was definitely one of those we were fear mongering about.
 
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dillyo51 said:
Is the vp9sk a good firearm for a first time gun owner? Tia
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The H&K VP9SK is a good choice.

Whatever you do, avoid Taurus as your first pistol. I made this mistake and it sucked. Also avoid .40 cal unless the price is amazing. A lot of people recommend the Glock G19 as the go-to first pistol. The S&W M&P 9 2.0 and Sig Sauer P320. Walthers PPQ M2 9mm is another good one. CZ 75 is another classic go-to gun.
 
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dillyo51 said:
Is the vp9sk a good firearm for a first time gun owner? Tia
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It's a sub-compact mainly for concealed carry. Shorter barrel, shorter grip. Works best with 124 grain NATO (and above) rather than the typical 115 range ammo. Once broken in, it should eat just about anything you feed it.

As with any firearm, practice, practice, practice. Although, as a first time gun owner, you may find that 9mm (and all ammo) is hard to get right now.
 
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37L1 said:
It's a sub-compact mainly for concealed carry. Shorter barrel, shorter grip. Works best with 124 grain NATO (and above) rather than the typical 115 range ammo. Once broken in, it should eat just about anything you feed it.

As with any firearm, practice, practice, practice. Although, as a first time gun owner, you may find that 9mm (and all ammo) is hard to get right now.
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Tons of great videos out there to help. Even on stuff I wasnt doing wrong or badly I found a lot of helpful hints and tricks. Most also go over some pretty standard or specific safety items which is a plus in my book. Storage, handling, draw etc. Stuff casual/new gun owners might not think of.
 
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