Coronavirus (No politics)

[yoyoyoyo]

They have more ICU beds and ventilators per patient than the US. Don’t kid yourself that our system is somehow better prepared for this than they are. By available resources we are lagging. We did get a few more weeks to hopefully mitigate some of our shortcomings.


Having said that, I have read Northern Italy does have a higher population of 50+ year olds. Plus, smoking is still very much a cultural norm. Considering it’s a respiratory infection, that is not a good mix.

This is correct. They have one of the oldest populations in the world. That along with smoking and general uncleanliness it was a recipe for disaster.

 

[RikidyBones]

Watching Star Trek, imagine the viruses and bacteria in space getting an entire ship... and we struggle with this... We arent ready to know about aliens or be in deep space. smh

 

[ButchPlz]

This is correct. They have one of the oldest populations in the world. That along with smoking and general uncleanliness it was a recipe for disaster.

It's not even that it's just an old population. It's an outbreak in the oldest part of an old population.

I'll say it again- claiming Italy as the only model for what WILL happen in the US while ignoring South Korea, Japan, and several other European countries with nowhere is stupid, sensationalist doomerism. The reality is we don't really know, but I would bet the house on Italy being the worst case out of this whole thing.

 

[TC 83]

My wife is a nurse in an elective surgery unit. Today a woman came in for an unnecessary procedure, lied about all of her recent medical history, had a high fever, bad cough for over a week, etc. You could say she checked a lot of boxes. She wasn’t my wife’s patient, but at one point was in the same room when the woman coughed, as well as being within 6 ft multiple times. So they are now waiting for the results of her test to see if she has the Virus. If she does have the virus it is likely that my wife will be placed in a in home 14 day quarantine, along with everyone else exposed to this selfish beeyotch, who knowingly did this. You could say that everyone is beyond pissed about this.

Damn—people are so selfish. It’s crazy how some people who are sick don’t care if they pass it on to other people. I know there some psychology to that (suffering alone) but mostly it’s just people being trash. Sorry that happened and I hope your wife gets good news.

 

[Shades]

It's not even that it's just an old population. It's an outbreak in the oldest part of an old population.

I'll say it again- claiming Italy as the only model for what WILL happen in the US while ignoring South Korea, Japan, and several other European countries with nowhere is stupid, sensationalist doomerism. The reality is we don't really know, but I would bet the house on Italy being the worst case out of this whole thing.

You have selective reading disorder. It has been said already on here that Italy is not the only case. Overwhelmed hospitals happened in China which caused China to lockdown, and finally got their hospitals under control.

Using South Korea as an example defeats your argument. Hospital collapse did NOT happen in South Korea because of their massive early testing, meticulous contact tracing and strict quarantining.

The verdict is not out yet on the other European countries as they have not reached the number of infections as Italy and China.

 

[DocVOLiday]

Watching Star Trek, imagine the viruses and bacteria in space getting an entire ship... and we struggle with this... We arent ready to know about aliens or be in deep space. smh

lol, I wasn't expecting to see this comment

 

[RikidyBones]

lol, I wasn't expecting to see this comment

Welcome to my world Doc lol.

 

[ButchPlz]

You have selective reading disorder. It has been said already on here that Italy is not the only case. Overwhelmed hospitals happened in China which caused China to lockdown, and finally got their hospitals under control.

Using South Korea as an example defeats your argument. Hospital collapse did NOT happen in South Korea because of their massive early testing, meticulous contact tracing and strict quarantining.

The verdict is not out yet on the other European countries as they have not reached the number of infections as Italy and China.

"Defeats" my argument?

No, it doesn't. We are already quarantining hard here- mostly people doing it voluntarily, and many businesses are already taking steps without government intervention. China even let the crap go for two months before it took it seriously and it didn't cripple the whole country.

Continue on thinking that we're all doomed and going to die, you're likely a miserable old coot anyway.

 

[Shades]

"Defeats" my argument?

No, it doesn't. We are already quarantining hard here- mostly people doing it voluntarily, and many businesses are already taking steps without government intervention. China even let the crap go for two months before it took it seriously and it didn't cripple the whole country.

Continue on thinking that we're all doomed and going to die, you're likely a miserable old coot anyway.

China was completely crippled by this. 400 Million people on lock down, no factories running, cities bigger than NY with no cars on the highways.

And they are still nowhere near back to full production.

We are doing nothing as strict and early as South Korea did.

It’s like you are making up facts as you go.

 

[BenGrimm]

"Defeats" my argument?

No, it doesn't. We are already quarantining hard here- mostly people doing it voluntarily, and many businesses are already taking steps without government intervention. China even let the crap go for two months before it took it seriously and it didn't cripple the whole country.

Continue on thinking that we're all doomed and going to die, you're likely a miserable old coot anyway.

What exactly is your stance on this? The country is overreacting or not doing enough? What do you think we should be doing?

And it’s not only the oldest of the old being killed in Italy. A lot of 50-60 year olds dying too.

 

[SCRocket]

I don’t consider China’s “data”. There is soooooo much that isn’t known. I mainly see “guessing”. I’ll wait a few weeks before I brush this pandemic off.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

Damn—people are so selfish. It’s crazy how some people who are sick don’t care if they pass it on to other people. I know there some psychology to that (suffering alone) but mostly it’s just people being trash. Sorry that happened and I hope your wife gets good news.

Thank you . I really hope so too. It’s so disappointing that someone would do that . I don’t know what the patient’s exact age was or the procedure, but I have a general idea about both and my wife described the situation as no excuse for what happened. She was completely capable of knowing right from wrong. I’m probably a bit too emotional about this right now, but i think if your intent is to deceive others and willfully put them in danger of contracting a dangerous virus you should face some level of consequence. I don’t know the law in that regard and if anything is in place to punish those who do that, hopefully there is.

 

[Shades]

There were live drone videos of cities in China bigger than NY with zero traffic, looked like ghost towns.

Scientific global satellites were showing near zero nitrogen dioxide emissions (pollution) over China for weeks.

Americans that chose to hunker down in China confirmed hell hole like conditions.

There are ways other than official Chinese outlets to piece together what was going on.

Nitrogen Dioxide Pollution Over China Plummets in New Satellite Images

 

[maotai]

How are you feeling now? Same/worse? What day is it of your sickness?

TLDR Summation: I am feeling a little better but I am no where near 100%. Recovery has not been linear.

Full Summation:

Saturday 3/7: I had no symptoms and took a family member to a coin show in Chattanooga. Thankfully so far no one I was in contact with on that trip has come down with symptoms. All 3 are over 60 and one is a cancer patient.

(1) Thursday 3/12: While talking to a coworker I lost my breath. I proceeded to have what I thought was a panic attack with shortness of breath and a heavy chest. This went away after an hour or so and I had no more symptoms the rest of the day. I summed it up to stress. Symptoms: shortness of breath, heavy chest. I consider this day 1 since this is my first noticeable symptoms

(2) Friday 3/13: I wake up with no symptoms. After a couple of hours at work I noticed a slight dry cough and some shortness of breath but nothing that could not be attributed to allergies. Around noon my wife called me and said she had started coughing uncontrollably and her work was sending her home. I proceeded to leave work and self quarantine. At this point my symptoms proceeded to get worse through out the night and my wife and I started to seriously discuss us actually having the coronavirus. Symptoms: shortness of breath, dry cough, heavy chest, chest pain, fatigue, and malaise.

(3) Saturday 3/14: We wake up and know this is a sickness neither of us have ever had. Symptoms proceed to get even worse and we decide to ride it out instead of going to the hospital. Head is foggy, I can't walk down the stairs without getting out of breath. Later that night me and my wife start using one or two words to communicate. Symptoms: extreme shortness of breath, dry cough, heavy chest, chest pain, extreme fatigue, and malaise.

(4) Sunday 3/15: Symptoms had gotten so bad my wife could not talk for more than a couple words at a time without running out of breath. I had to call her work and explain the situation. I was so weak I had to lean against the wall during the phone call with my eyes closed. I called urgent care for guidance and I was told there is nothing they can do and to just ride it out unless we are near death and only then to go to the emergency room. I start to wonder if we are going to make it and I ask my wife if she wants me to take her to the ER. She decides to wait one more day and talk to our doctors. Symptoms finally peak this night. We decide if we are going to die we might as well get drunk and discover that wine is the only thing we have that lessens the symptoms. I can't post to social media as that would freak out all my coworkers and family. I decide I want to at least get my symptoms out since they are not 100% what is being reported so I post in this thread. Symptoms: extreme shortness of breath, dry cough, chest pain, extreme fatigue, and malaise.

(5) Monday 3/16: Symptoms slightly improve and we call our doctors. Both of us are told there are no tests and nothing they can do for us. My doctor calls me back an hour or so later and offers to bring me in to rule out things but I am told several times they have no covid-19 test. I actually started feeling so well on this day I almost turned them down. After a nap some of my symptoms return to what they were Sunday night and I once again feel like crap. Chest pain and dry cough are greatly reduced. Symptoms: shortness of breath, fatigue, and malaise.

(6) Tuesday 3/17: I woke up feeling awful and for the first few hours of the day I felt as bad as I did Sunday midday. I go to the doctor and they examine me for everything and test me for the flu. After I test negative for the flu I am told I probably have covid-19 and they ask me if I want tested for it, I say "please". After getting a cotton tip pressed into my brain I am shown the backdoor and told to walk around the building. Other than raw sinuses from two tests I have continued to slightly improve as the day has went on and I do feel I have gotten better but I still have a long way to go. I took the garbage out and the pollen really brought back the dry cough. It subsided after an hour or so. Symptoms: shortness of breath, fatigue, sore sinuses.

Random things to note: Eating and drinking any carbonated drink worsened the shortness of breath and heavy chest. Even when I did not feel like it I got up and walked around to burp, even the slightest bit of pressure exacerbated the symptoms. We found wine loosens the chest and makes breathing less labored. We did not drink wine all day but at the end of a day of being sick we split a bottle to reduce the stress and malaise. This gave us something to look forward to and helped us keep our spirits up. I started mega dosing vitamin C on Sunday but I am not sure if it helped or not.

Sorry about the length but I hope you found it informative.

 

[Shades]

Maotai, I’m so sorry to hear about you and your wife’s struggles with this. I hope you pull out of it very soon. Prayers for you.

 

[DynaLo]

Thank you very much for posting this. It doesn’t appear that everyone is going to show all of the same symptoms or not in the same order, so the more folks know the better.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Can the kiddos favorite little stuffed comfort toy be disinfected and bagged, so it’s now in “protective gear” as well?

As long Doc McStuffins, Princess Celestia, Elsa, or Batman have already been exposed, they are exempt from the PPE requirements.

 

[volinbham]

hope you're about done Maotai - thanks for sharing

going to buy more wine

 

[Shades]

Another bit of info to help understand this thing.

South Korea was one of the few countries to put in practice lessons learned from the SARS virus.

From SARS, they developed an extensive pandemic action plan, and followed it very early in the Coronavirus game.

They began very early doing massive testing of huge amounts of the population.

Then back tracking prior recent contacts of people who tested positive, and quarantining both individuals and areas.

Because of the massive early testing it looked like South Korea had the worst outbreak other than China. But it was only because SK was testing nearly everyone.

And thus we saw the number of cases in SK rise quickly to 7000, and the quickly slow down from there to very few new cases per day.

SK is probably one of the few nations where the number of confirmed cases is very close to the number of actual cases in the nation. Singapore is another, and Singapore followed a plan similar to SK. Both of these acted soon enough to catch it within the containment phase.

China finally locked down but too late, only after the hospitals got overwhelmed. And then they did a draconian lockdown to get things under control in the hospitals. That is, a complete shutdown of their nation.

Italy was also late, locking down only as their hospital system was starting to collapse. How Italy pulls out is still TBD.

Spain is on the precipice, and the next several days will tell a lot.

The US also has likely waited past the containment phase, and the US hospital verdict is still TBD.

 

[Power T-Rev]

Just curious but....As of Monday, the number of cases in Italy was 31,506 with the number of deaths at 2,503. Unless there is something wrong with my calculator, that is a death rate of 7.944519 percent. Why such a high rate in Italy, more old folks???

The have the largest elderly population in Europe. Also, Milan which is one of the most affected cities had flights to and from Wuhan

 

[kiddiedoc]

Another bit of info to help understand this thing.

South Korea was one of the few countries to put in practice lessons learned from the SARS virus.

From SARS, they developed an extensive pandemic action plan, and followed it very early in the game.

They began very early doing massive testing of huge amounts of the population.

Then back tracking prior recent contacts of people who tested positive, and quarantining both individuals and areas.

Because of the massive early testing it looked like South Korea had the worst outbreak other than China. But it was only because SK was testing nearly everyone.

And thus we saw the number of cases in SK rise quickly to 7000, and the quickly slow down from there to very few new cases per day.

SK is probably one of the few nations where the number of confirmed cases is very close to the number of actual cases in the nation. Singapore is another, and Singapore followed a plan similar to SK. Both of these acted soon enough to catch it within the containment phase.

China finally locked down but too late, only after the hospitals got overwhelmed. And then they did a draconian lockdown to get things under control in the hospitals. That is, a complete shutdown of their nation.

Italy was also late, locking down only as their hospital system was starting to collapse. How Italy pulls out is still TBD.

Spain is on the precipice, and the next several days will tell a lot.

The US also has likely waited past the containment phase, and the US hospital verdict is still TBD.

Add in the multitudes of self-centered, reckless idiots flying around the country and flocking to the beaches, and you have a recipe for disaster.

 

[Power T-Rev]

Add in the multitudes of self-centered, reckless idiots flying around the country and flocking to the beaches, and you have a recipe for disaster.

Damn millenials

 

[kiddiedoc]

Damn millenials

It's not just millennials. If everyone will take a break from putting themselves first in everything, we might just avoid a situation like you are seeing in parts of Europe. The current behavior in the US does not suggest that is likely.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Sorry to hear about your ordeal Maotai. Hopefully, your recoveries continue. If you feel comfortable, I'd be interested to know your results.

 

[Power T-Rev]

It's not just millennials. If everyone will take a break from putting themselves first in everything, we might just avoid a situation like you are seeing in parts of Europe. The current behavior in the US does not suggest that is likely.

It was pretty funny when Dr. Birx was calling out millennials