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So a couple things.

First, Wolf Blitzer has the Governor of Ohio on. Wolf tried to bait him into slamming Trump’s comments about having this under control. To the Governor’s credit he didn’t take the bait but good grief. What the hell do you want Trump to do, say we have no idea what to do and portray panic? It’s a damn virus. There’s only so much control that can be exerted and Trump is trying to keep people calm.

Second, I think they’ve known for a while that we were heading for basically a total shutdown and they’ve been stair stepping it to make it as palatable as possible. I think that’s why Trump is continuing to try and portray control, stability, and calm. It’s all about framing and trying to keep citizens from revolting with all of the changes.
 
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SIAP

Approaching full panic mode...

Nearly 7 million San Francisco Bay area residents ordered to shelter in place
From CNN's Cheri Mossburg


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Nearly seven million people living in a wide swath of Northern California, including Silicon Valley, are being ordered to shelter in place starting at midnight on Monday.
Along with San Francisco, which previously announced its order, residents in San Mateo, Santa Clara, Marin, Alameda, and Contra Costa counties, along with the city of Berkeley are being required to stay home, according to an order from health officials in those jurisdictions.
“This decision is exponentially difficult,” Santa Clara County Health Officer Sara Cody said, but added that a regional approach is necessary. “We know we need to do this.”
Health services, grocery stores, gas stations, banks, and food delivery services will remain open. Mass transit will stay open, but it is only to be used for travel to and from essential services.
 
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hog88 said:
I know it's odd for an elected official but he's handling it the right way.
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It's a weasel response.

If he doesn't think coronavirus is a serious enough threat to close restaurants, then come out and say it. Don't give us this "we can only strongly suggest behavior" stuff.

"I'm sorry right to life group, but the state can only strongly suggest that women not have abortions. There's nothing more I can do."
 
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hog88 said:
Hard to tell since it was probably here and in other countries before it even had a name.
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Seems like the death rate is probably a bit lower based on the limited testing and

But they do the same thing with the flu, from what I understand. Not everybody gets tested.

So maybe the two numbers are still comparable.
 
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Velo Vol said:
It's a weasel response.

If he doesn't think coronavirus is a serious enough threat to close restaurants, then come out and say it. Don't give us this "we can only strongly suggest behavior" stuff.

"The state can only strongly suggest that women not have abortions."
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Yep, guess that's why the SEC just "strongly suggests" that corporations not make false or misleading statements that may affect their share price.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I wasn’t aware of the site but I’m saying wouldn’t you expect some effect on those numbers if it’s been here for months but we’ve only been testing for about half of that time?
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Yes I would. I’ve in fact already stated I expect the mortality rate to go down in the US now that we’re testing for it. People whom assumed they had a bad cold or the flu and just toughed it out will now get tested and diagnosed. If you were serious before you got tested. If you weren’t serious and toughed it out then you went uncounted.
 
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Velo Vol said:
It's a weasel response.

If he doesn't think coronavirus is a serious enough threat to close restaurants, then come out and say it. Don't give us this "we can only strongly suggest behavior" stuff.

"I'm sorry right to life group, but the state can only strongly suggest that women not have abortions. There's nothing more I can do."
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He’s leaving it up to governors which is what he should do
 
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Post from a lady who use to live in Northwest Georgia-- now residing in Italy.


It is not about you. It never was about you and it never will be about you.

It is not about basketball, Carnival in Venice, Mickey Mouse, soccer, Nascar or the fashion week in Milan. While I, too, am heartbroken for the people that have trained their whole lives for their moment, that moment simply cannot be now.

It is not about its inferiority to the flu, vaccines, cell phone towers, just washing your hands, toilet paper or what demographic of the non-survivors seems to be hit the most. Theories are a great way to look back and see what we could do differently..but, at present, I think action is more important than trying to point fingers.

It is not about politics, who is president, who wants to be president, who was president, which party you support or some sort of false regime that will come into place should we take stricter measures. Apparently, in modern-day America, this one needs to be included.

It is not about panic. Being cautious and taking things seriously is not panic; it is being responsible for things you are able to control. The things you can’t are going to happen anyway, this at least relieves some of the burden.

It IS about people. That simple. People are dying in droves here (third day in a row that the death toll has been over 165, really hoping that trend ends today). For you statistics people, Italy has about 5 ½ times less population than the US and 21 ⅕ times less than China (imagine 900 people dying in one day in the US or 3,500 in China…for three days in a row). In two weeks, there have been 1,000 deaths. Keep in mind that over 850 of those deaths are in just two regions (a land size that is roughly ⅓ of the size of the state of Georgia). One. Thousand. Deaths. In an area of around 53,000 km squared (about 20,000 miles squared…again, Georgia is almost 60,000 miles squared). While I am not Italian, my heart breaks for the things I am seeing all around me. It is not something to be messed with.

Hospitals here are overwhelmed and are having to decide between things that are “life-threatening” and things that have to wait. There simply are not enough healthy doctors, beds, machines or manpower to keep the whole thing afloat. Tough decisions are having to be made. Italy has, quite honestly, the best healthcare I have ever received in my life..but, they just weren’t ready for how quickly it all came to pass. It is like a social experiment gone awry. I am sure if you asked anyone three weeks ago if they were prepared, the answer would have been yes (myself, certainly, included); the onset was just too much.

The only things open at present are pharmacies and grocery stores (and, even then, you don’t go unless you have to). I had to go get a prescription filled yesterday and the whole place is a ghost town. Everything is boarded up with hand-written signs reminding the community that we must be vigilant for those who can’t. There are fines if you try to leave your area (without valid reason). It is sad to see, but necessary. We stay home not because of “government control”, but because we must. There are 1,000 more lives to be lost if we don’t.

We are just now starting to see how contagious this virus is. Imagine you are somewhere and you, kindly, bend over to help someone pick up their keys they dropped; it could be something that simple…best of intentions, worst of outcomes. Some people that have it don’t know for weeks and others simply carry it, without ever showing symptoms. This is why we stay at home.

Look, I understand that America cannot come to a halt. I get that people still have to work to provide for their families. I get that closing schools makes this whole process seem almost impossible to adhere to. I really do. I see the differences between my nationality and the country where I currently reside. The measures do not need to be as drastic as they are here (and, frankly, they can’t be at present), but any action is forward motion. If you don’t NEED to do something, don’t. That simple. Think about those that have compromised immune systems (not only the elderly) and are not in the 98% survival rate that everyone keeps going on and on about. Something tells me if you asked any of those athletes, or people from canceled events if they would rather “go on as normal” or have a family member die from coming to support them..suddenly that 2% becomes the whole pie chart. Think of others and act accordingly.

It is not about you. It never was about you and it never will be about you.

Kim Philot
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Yes I would. I’ve in fact already stated I expect the mortality rate to go down in the US now that we’re testing for it. People whom assumed they had a bad cold or the flu and just toughed it out will now get tested and diagnosed. If you were serious before you got tested. If you weren’t serious and toughed it out then you went uncounted.
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Sounds like Hog and wife toughed it out. Whenever we grille him, make sure mine is well done just in case.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Seems like the death rate is probably a bit lower based on the limited testing and

But they do the same thing with the flu, from what I understand. Not everybody gets tested.

So maybe the two numbers are still comparable.
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If you wind up in ICU they figure out what’s wrong with you. Flu, ‘Rona, bad case of the squirts.

If you stay home and OD on NyQuil then you go uncounted. I’d guess the mortality rate in North America is going to be much better than Asia and obviously Italy and our mocked healthcare system appears to be performing very well thus far.
 
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Coronavirus has spared American children while the Flu has killed 144 so far this season - as many as died all last season


While American children have been mostly spared as the coronavirus outbreak has spread across the nation, they've not been so lucky when it comes to the flu.

As of Monday afternoon, of the more than 4,100 coroanvirus cases confirmed in the US, a very small percentage is children. Of the 71 deaths, none have been among children.

But of the 22,000 have died of the flu so far this season, 144 have been children, according to new figures from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

This means there have been as many pediatric deaths with the season not being over as there were all of last year.

According to the CDC's latest flu report, the 144 children's deaths is the highest on record since the 2009 H1N1 (swine flu) pandemic.
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Additionally as of March 7, the hospitalization rate for children under age four was the highest ever recorded at this point this season - even more than the 2009 season.

Coronavirus has spared American children while the flu has killed 144 so far this season | Daily Mail Online
 
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NEOCON said:
Wow this pisses me off on so many different levels!

Mother fu.......
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We have agreements between the federal government and American companies to mass produce vents, vent supplies and n95s... agreements for moments just like this that should have been addressed at least two weeks ago but are still unaddressed. Ventilators don’t expire so it’s a great investment but now we’re behind the eight ball.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
So a couple things.

First, Wolf Blitzer has the Governor of Ohio on. Wolf tried to bait him into slamming Trump’s comments about having this under control. To the Governor’s credit he didn’t take the bait but good grief. What the hell do you want Trump to do, say we have no idea what to do and portray panic? It’s a damn virus. There’s only so much control that can be exerted and Trump is trying to keep people calm.

Second, I think they’ve known for a while that we were heading for basically a total shutdown and they’ve been stair stepping it to make it as palatable as possible. I think that’s why Trump is continuing to try and portray control, stability, and calm. It’s all about framing and trying to keep citizens from revolting with all of the changes.
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Trump should not have been making unrealistic claims about an imminent vaccine. He was talking out of his butt. That never helps anyone.
 
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