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37L1 said:
It was here, people, long before any cases were identified as CV-19. It is in the general population in more numbers than can be reported. Some of us have already had it because, in most cases, the symptoms are mild and we thought we had a "bug", or a "cold" or the "flu" or had no observable symptoms at all.
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Maybe, but it seems mystery severe cases and deaths would raise red flags, even if the cause was then unknown.
 
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The sad part is that people are trying to blame Obama for something 11 years ago. There was no panic because he was a good leader. No one knows what is going on now because donald lies 99% of the time. People are left to their own devices. Trying to figure out how to stay safe, get tested, and take care of their family. Even if President Obama didn't declare a national emergency until 6 months later, he didn't cripple the initial response to the swine flu and dismiss it. And I am sure CNN, MSNBC, and other media outlets were not dismissing it as an evil plot by Republicans to get him impeached. People were literally getting tested for it because there were enough available test. Only 77 people this week have been tested for this latest virus. That is sad....
 
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Velo Vol said:
Maybe, but it seems mystery severe cases and deaths would raise red flags, even if the cause was then unknown.
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I got something in early January after returning from Northern CA with lots of exposure to large Chinese crowds (SF the week after Christmas). Laid out for a solid two days, but didn't feel 100% better for a good 8 or 9 days. Got tested for flu. It came back negative. Doctor said it was probably a (known) coronavirus. My two kids never got anything, despite being around me constantly.
 
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I got something in early January after returning from Northern CA with lots of exposure to large Chinese crowds (SF the week after Christmas). Laid out for a solid two days, but didn't feel 100% better for a good 8 or 9 days. Got tested for flu. It came back negative. Doctor said it was probably a (known) coronavirus. My two kids never got anything.
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Where's @kiddiedoc? If kids are not affected severely by coronavirus because their immune system is not going into overdrive with adverse results, would briefly suppressing adult immune system response be helpful? I'm sure it's a completely naive idea, but just wondering.

NOT ONE CHILD UNDER 10 HAS DIED.

Why don't children seem to get very ill from the coronavirus?
 
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Mick said:
At least he could test a million. What has Trump tested, 11k? No matter how hard you try to disparage Obama, Trump is worse.
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I remember reading how Winston Churchill constantly reminded the British during the German air raids that it was all really Chamberlain's fault and that he (Churchill) was now hamstrung by that.
 
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evillawyer said:
Where's @kiddiedoc? If kids are not affected severely by coronavirus because their immune system is not going into overdrive with adverse results, would briefly suppressing adult immune system response be helpful? I'm sure it's a completely naive idea, but just wondering.

NOT ONE CHILD UNDER 10 HAS DIED.

Why don't children seem to get very ill from the coronavirus?
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That is the only solace that I can take from this entire ordeal...I am deathly worried about my older parents and my sister who has been taking chemo treatments.
 
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37L1 said:
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It was here, people, long before any cases were identified as CV-19. It is in the general population in more numbers than can be reported. Some of us have already had it because, in most cases, the symptoms are mild and we thought we had a "bug", or a "cold" or the "flu" or had no observable symptoms at all.

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Beginning to believe this more and more. Over the past month I've had 2 different ladies in my office with this strange , dry cough that persisted for weeks.
 
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I don't see how it can be seen as a conspiracy to think this escaped a lab in China. Everyone here knows China, the US, and several other countries probably have research labs where viruses are experimented with. I'm not even just talking about for malicious purposes.

If it did come from a lab I don't believe it's release was intentional.

But who here honestly thinks govts are not experimenting with infectious diseases for genuine research or malicious purposes?
 
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37L1 said:
If you think it wasn't running through the population before China reported it, think about how reliable they have been about this whole thing.

In that time since the first real unidentified case of CV-19 and China doing something about it, how many deaths occurred due to "flu like symptoms" and blamed on, I don't know, the flu? How many cases of CV-19 were there before tests were developed to even identify, let alone name it?

After having considered the above, how many "infected" people with no observable symptoms, traveled all over, including the United States and Europe? As a result of that travel over the world, including its closest neighbors, like South Korea for instance, how many more were infected, showed no "observable symptoms, had a mild case of "the flu", or were hospitalized, or died before CV-19 was identified/tested for? Considering that this virus targets the most vulnerable, the elderly with compromised general health, how many died from reasons attributed to their health circumstances before CV-19 was on the radar? How many associates of the ill traveled in the general population as carriers before they showed any symptoms?

It was here, people, long before any cases were identified as CV-19. It is in the general population in more numbers than can be reported. Some of us have already had it because, in most cases, the symptoms are mild and we thought we had a "bug", or a "cold" or the "flu" or had no observable symptoms at all.

All this "general lock down" is probably too late. It might slow down the spread, hopefully it will, but the idea of "containment" has always been a futile joke.

The impact CV-19 has had on our lives is disproportionate to the nature of the threat and we have not reacted in this way in the past to any other infectious disease that I can recall. I can recall TB, polio, AIDS/HIV, hepatitis, Hong Kong Flu, bird flu, swine flu, any flu, etc.

I'm having a difficult time justifying the reaction and panic that the CV-19 outbreak has caused. Maybe if the death toll eventually climbs to a point that it rivals the diseases listed above, it might have been worth it, I don't know. I don't think we will ever know. If it doesn't, the powers that be will justify it by saying that their "responsible and timely action" prevented it from being worse than it was. If it does, they will say "we did everything we could but" . . .

Stop panic buying toilet paper.
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allvol123 said:
Beginning to believe this more and more. Over the past month I've had 2 different ladies in my office with this strange , dry cough that persisted for weeks.
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If you followed the thread when it began, there were several articles posted showing this began late last year in China. The govt did little to combat it until it spread through the country. Probably out of fear of impacting Chinese New Year. Local officials weren't able to tell their own people about the virus without going up through health departments and govt bureaucrats approvals first. Meanwhile they were attempting to break records for largest food banquet attendance in the world.
 
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37L1 said:
If you think it wasn't running through the population before China reported it, think about how reliable they have been about this whole thing.

In that time since the first real unidentified case of CV-19 and China doing something about it, how many deaths occurred due to "flu like symptoms" and blamed on, I don't know, the flu? How many cases of CV-19 were there before tests were developed to even identify, let alone name it?

After having considered the above, how many "infected" people with no observable symptoms, traveled all over, including the United States and Europe? As a result of that travel over the world, including its closest neighbors, like South Korea for instance, how many more were infected, showed no "observable symptoms, had a mild case of "the flu", or were hospitalized, or died before CV-19 was identified/tested for? Considering that this virus targets the most vulnerable, the elderly with compromised general health, how many died from reasons attributed to their health circumstances before CV-19 was on the radar? How many associates of the ill traveled in the general population as carriers before they showed any symptoms?

It was here, people, long before any cases were identified as CV-19. It is in the general population in more numbers than can be reported. Some of us have already had it because, in most cases, the symptoms are mild and we thought we had a "bug", or a "cold" or the "flu" or had no observable symptoms at all.

All this "general lock down" is probably too late. It might slow down the spread, hopefully it will, but the idea of "containment" has always been a futile joke.

The impact CV-19 has had on our lives is disproportionate to the nature of the threat and we have not reacted in this way in the past to any other infectious disease that I can recall. I can recall TB, polio, AIDS/HIV, hepatitis, Hong Kong Flu, bird flu, swine flu, any flu, etc.

I'm having a difficult time justifying the reaction and panic that the CV-19 outbreak has caused. Maybe if the death toll eventually climbs to a point that it rivals the diseases listed above, it might have been worth it, I don't know. I don't think we will ever know. If it doesn't, the powers that be will justify it by saying that their "responsible and timely action" prevented it from being worse than it was. If it does, they will say "we did everything we could but" . . .

Stop panic buying toilet paper.
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The panic is in large part due to lack of leadership....when there are no reliable leaders, people are left to their own devices to figure out what the hell is going on. You have health experts saying 1 thing, and then you have the "leaders" saying it is a hoax and some in the media agreeing that it is a hoax.
 
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