Latest Coronavirus - Yikes

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golfballs said:
It’s not. Total cases is in line w others, but certainly not anywhere near them per capita.
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Exactly. That chart a few pages back based on number per country was very disturbing because it gives actual fact (and we presume correct numbers), but the "fact" in the applied context is completely meaningless.
 
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volfanhill said:
I think he’s protecting his people. Ryan Day can out recruit 99% of the country and has.
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Which only means he has a leg up on schools who actually need recruits on campus to sell them. There are always multiple sides to a story. I don't think altruism is the case here.
 
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allvol123 said:
Sadly, probably true. I have to hold out hope Amercia rights the ship.

I pray every night for this country and world now. I pray the market somehow refrains from abject chaos tomorrow. And that by Monday morning we have data that gives people some semblance of comfort.
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I really do applaud those sentiments, but realistically, the world is the Titanic and the CCP didn’t yell iceberg in time. At this point I’m just hoping we’re able to limp her back to port without catastrophic damage because the limited life rafts are going to start filling up fast.
 
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evillawyer said:
Best evidence is that it came from bush meat (likely a pangolin or bat) sold in a Wuhan meat market since most of the early cases could be traced to that market.
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Used lab rats from the Wuhan viral test center sold to the Wuhan meat market for the win.
 
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BisonVol said:
He is. I'm not saying it isn't possible it because we all know China isn't trustworthy, but how the virus started is irrelevant at this point, and it is foolish to make statements of this nature that could cause conflict. The goal has to be limit infections. Period. We can deal with how it started later once we've got it under wraps.
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By then the Chinese will have it all contained and covered up. Right now they are accusing US military athletes of bringing it to China. We won't get to the bottom of this because the Chinese don't have a freedom of information process. The best bet to start with the simplest connection: it started in Wuhan; Wuhan is the home of the Wuhan Institute of Virology; the Chinese are sloppy when it comes to ethics, environment, and human value; Chinese researchers have been known to sell used lab animals; the Chinese have sold contaminated foods, drugs, and other materials before. Maybe it came from outer space, but I know where I'd start an investigation ... the one that will never happen.
 
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BisonVol said:
The part about people getting stabbed and attacked over groceries is what is most frightening about all of this. The virus doesn't scare me as it pertains to my personal health, but what does scare me is the things people will do when they panic. We will start seeing more of this.
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We'll know it's serious when we hear about muggings of people carrying toilet paper home from the store.
 
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BisonVol said:
This is why we can't have senators going around throwing shade at China. Either praise them or say nothing at all. We can't afford to make enemies of them during a time like this.
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China is an enemy pretending to be a friend until they complete their economic war and can start the military version.
 
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AM64 said:
China is an enemy pretending to be a friend until they complete their economic war and can start the military version.
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They've threatened to cut off the shipments of pharmaceuticals to our country, but we aren't in a position to do anything about it right now. Suck up to them, praise them, do what you gotta do for now to make sure they don't cut off the antibiotics we need, and then see about potentially looking into what really caused the virus after it has run its course (which it will contrary to what some seem to believe. If may be in a month, may be five months, but it will eventually run its course). That's how I see it for the time being, but I agree that they aren't a friend and that we need to put a stop to being so reliant upon them.
 
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golfballs said:
The rest of the world is great at testing. And apparently were not because the state of Ohio alone has more cases than all of China and Italy combined. I’m impressed Ohio.
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He's not wrong. We don't even have enough tests for severe cases let alone mild ones. This virus has been spreading unchecked through the community for a while now. It's not a joke or false news. It's real.
 
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If you think it wasn't running through the population before China reported it, think about how reliable they have been about this whole thing.

In that time since the first real unidentified case of CV-19 and China doing something about it, how many deaths occurred due to "flu like symptoms" and blamed on, I don't know, the flu? How many cases of CV-19 were there before tests were developed to even identify, let alone name it?

After having considered the above, how many "infected" people with no observable symptoms, traveled all over, including the United States and Europe? As a result of that travel over the world, including its closest neighbors, like South Korea for instance, how many more were infected, showed no "observable symptoms, had a mild case of "the flu", or were hospitalized, or died before CV-19 was identified/tested for? Considering that this virus targets the most vulnerable, the elderly with compromised general health, how many died from reasons attributed to their health circumstances before CV-19 was on the radar? How many associates of the ill traveled in the general population as carriers before they showed any symptoms?

It was here, people, long before any cases were identified as CV-19. It is in the general population in more numbers than can be reported. Some of us have already had it because, in most cases, the symptoms are mild and we thought we had a "bug", or a "cold" or the "flu" or had no observable symptoms at all.

All this "general lock down" is probably too late. It might slow down the spread, hopefully it will, but the idea of "containment" has always been a futile joke.

The impact CV-19 has had on our lives is disproportionate to the nature of the threat and we have not reacted in this way in the past to any other infectious disease that I can recall. I can recall TB, polio, AIDS/HIV, hepatitis, Hong Kong Flu, bird flu, swine flu, any flu, etc.

I'm having a difficult time justifying the reaction and panic that the CV-19 outbreak has caused. Maybe if the death toll eventually climbs to a point that it rivals the diseases listed above, it might have been worth it, I don't know. I don't think we will ever know. If it doesn't, the powers that be will justify it by saying that their "responsible and timely action" prevented it from being worse than it was. If it does, they will say "we did everything we could but" . . .

Stop panic buying toilet paper.
 
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