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HankHill said:
I think the story with him is and props to Helton for most of 18’.... he hid him very well. The vast majority of his throws were within 5 yards of the LOS. Chaney asked him to do more and he couldn’t.
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That’s probably fair. I think we all just need to hope that I am dead wrong about Weinke and JG comes out a new man (not likely because not even Brady could fix JG imo) or that HB5 takes over day 1.
 
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WriterVol said:
I didn't realize there were so many fellow 39-year-olds here.

I have but weeks left.
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As someone who has celebrated birthdays thrice since surpassing the 40-year mark, let me just say to you all that it's great! Nothing to wor....ow, my achy joints whilst trying to type this reply.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Well, you're basically saying his worse games were early in the season. And agreeing his best games were later in the season.

His 3 best games without question were Mizzou, South Carolina, and Kentucky. All occurred in late October or later.

Did he improve from 2018 to 2019? Not really, but he did get yet another OC with a new system to digest. He did however appear to improve in 2019 from the beginning to the end.

But we also only have one season with Weinke as the QB coach under his belt and he inherited JG/JT. It'll be interesting to see how well he develops Maurer/Bailey though.
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No, 2 of his worst games of the year were the last two: Vandy and Indiana. He was awful in both.

My biggest reason for complaining is that I fear Weinke can’t develop HB. And if he can’t, then we’ll continue to be bad at QB. And if we continue to be bad at QB, we won’t improve as a team. We want and need to win 9 games in the regular season. If we don’t get better QB play that will not happen.
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
Power Ranking the Best QB Guru's in College Football

Chris Weinke becoming a quarterback guru - ProFootballTalk

Report: Geno Smith to work with QB guru Chris Weinke this offseason

St. Louis Rams Make Chris Weinke New Quarterbacks Coach

The Truth About Cam Newton's Impact on the Carolina Panthers

Need anymore evidence? Sometimes you get people on your staff in any way you can. When Weinke was RB coach Helton wanted to manage QBs. So that’s what happened. When Helton left Weinke managed QBs. It’s pretty simple.

Brian Niedermeyer was normally a defensive coach but was coaching Tight Ends.... now guess what.... he is coaching LBs.
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Chizzle over here droppin knowledge on @Bassmaster_Vol head
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
Power Ranking the Best QB Guru's in College Football

Chris Weinke becoming a quarterback guru - ProFootballTalk

Report: Geno Smith to work with QB guru Chris Weinke this offseason

St. Louis Rams Make Chris Weinke New Quarterbacks Coach

The Truth About Cam Newton's Impact on the Carolina Panthers

Need anymore evidence? Sometimes you get people on your staff in any way you can. When Weinke was RB coach Helton wanted to manage QBs. So that’s what happened. When Helton left Weinke managed QBs. It’s pretty simple.

Brian Niedermeyer was normally a defensive coach but was coaching Tight Ends.... now guess what.... he is coaching LBs.
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Dude... these articles are from 2012-13... I stand by what I said. If he was a QB guru he’d still be in LA or Carolina and wouldn’t have been coaching RB’s at UT. NFL head coaches aren’t going to let QB gurus go coach RB’s in college. The position is too important. Which adds to my doubts about Weinke.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Dude... these articles are from 2012-13... I stand by what I said. If he was a QB guru he’d still be in LA or Carolina and wouldn’t have been coaching RB’s at UT. NFL head coaches aren’t going to let QB gurus go coach RB’s in college. The position is too important. Which adds to my doubts about Weinke.
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Lol you were saying he has never been considered a QB Guru and you don’t understand it. (I proved you wrong)

Before he was hired as RBs coach he was an offensive analyst at Alabama. Then Pruitt took him with him to Tennessee. Pruitt needed an offensive coordinator and look no further than Tyson Helton who had just helped Sam Darnold. Helton was given full control of the offense and QBs. This was prior to Weinke being hired on to the staff. Pruitt believed Weinke was a good enough coach to be an on field coach and hired him to Coach RBs. When Pruitt was given the opportunity he moved Weinke to QBs where he initially wanted him. It’s pretty simple.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
No, 2 of his worst games of the year were the last two: Vandy and Indiana. He was awful in both.

My biggest reason for complaining is that I fear Weinke can’t develop HB. And if he can’t, then we’ll continue to be bad at QB. And if we continue to be bad at QB, we won’t improve as a team. We want and need to win 9 games in the regular season. If we don’t get better QB play that will not happen.
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Vandy was a tsunami, so I just tossed that one out. Not many QBs were gonna look good that night.

Indiana was rough, no denying it. Long layoff and getting healthy seemed to be counter productive for JG. But I also typically exclude bowl games when discussing season performance. Cause the playoffs are the only ones that matter.
 
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HankHill said:
I think the story with him is and props to Helton for most of 18’.... he hid him very well. The vast majority of his throws were within 5 yards of the LOS. Chaney asked him to do more and he couldn’t.
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Actually have to agree with the Helton praise. I thought he did a better job of managing him and playing to our strengths than we did last year. Chaney finally adjusted, but it took half the season.
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
Lol you were saying he has never been considered a QB Guru and you don’t understand it. (I proved you wrong)

Before he was hired as RBs coach he was an offensive analyst at Alabama. Then Pruitt took him with him to Tennessee. Pruitt needed an offensive coordinator and look no further than Tyson Helton who had just helped Sam Darnold. Helton was given full control of the offense and QBs. This was prior to Weinke being hired on to the staff. Pruitt believed Weinke was a good enough coach to be an on field coach and hired him to Coach RBs. When Pruitt was given the opportunity he moved Weinke to QBs where he initially wanted him. It’s pretty simple.
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Because some dude wrote an article calling him a QB guru means you proved me wrong? I don’t think so. I’m talking about what NFL coaches think, not what some guy working for SI or wherever thinks.

Again, here’s a guy who you’re telling me is known as a QB guru and he’s an offensive analyst at Bama rather than in the NFL coaching QB’s? No way.
 
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HankHill said:
I think the story with him is and props to Helton for most of 18’.... he hid him very well. The vast majority of his throws were within 5 yards of the LOS. Chaney asked him to do more and he couldn’t.
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Not against UF. That was a terrible game plan.
 
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Devo182 said:
Actually have to agree with the Helton praise. I thought he did a better job of managing him and playing to our strengths than we did last year. Chaney finally adjusted, but it took half the season.
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I think it was just Chaney implementing his offense. However, it almost back fired and they started playing to JGs strengths.
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
I think it was just Chaney implementing his offense. However, it almost back fired and they started playing to JGs strengths.
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Yeah I think he was. After all offseason hearing how he plays around his players, that was a little disppointing. But he is only human and has an idea in mind of what he ultimately wants to run here. He will just have to be patient and probably wait till after JG, maybe even HB, to fully implement it.
 
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Devo182 said:
Actually have to agree with the Helton praise. I thought he did a better job of managing him and playing to our strengths than we did last year. Chaney finally adjusted, but it took half the season.
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Question there is was Helton "managing" JG helping him develop? I feel like if you tailor your gameplan/play calling to be limited by your QB you're hindering the team as well as the QB. Does it give you better results? Typically yeah it should.

There's no question though. If JG is ever going to be better than average this is the year. Same OC/QB coach, 5 star on campus wanting his job, easily the best OL he's had in front of him with arguably the most talented RB group as well.

People may act like the WRs will hinder him, but honestly don't buy it at all. Much as I love Jennings & Callaway I don't know that Palmer, Johnson, Gibbs, Keyton can't be as productive if not more so. I also think the TEs will be improved. I love moose, but I'm not sure how great he was coaching TEs. Big time happy he's on the defensive side where he's more comfortable and having Coach O to step-up to do TEs is huge.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Because some dude wrote an article calling him a QB guru means you proved me wrong? I don’t think so. I’m talking about what NFL coaches thing, not what some guy working for SI or wherever thinks.

Again, here’s a guy who you’re telling me is known as a QB guru and he’s an offensive analyst at Bama rather than in the NFL coaching QB’s? No way.
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Lol, Chris Weinke literally helped Cam Newton get better. He helped Ryan Tannehill, etc etc. you are absolutely ridiculous. People get hired as analysts all the time. He coached QBs in the pros for roughly 2 years. When the Rams made a coaching overhaul Weinke was kicked to the curb by the new staff. He found a job as an analyst. Seems like it worked out. Also, he wouldn’t of got a raise if he sucked at coaching QBs Pruitt/Chaney wouldn’t allow it.
 
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Devo182 said:
Yeah I think he was. After all offseason hearing how he plays around his players, that was a little disppointing. But he is only human and has an idea in mind of what he ultimately wants to run here. He will just have to be patient and probably wait till after JG, maybe even HB, to fully implement it.
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They wanted to open up the pass game. Plain and simple. You have to be able to throw in order to run the ball. That’s what Chaney wanted to do. Then boom JG regressed and destroyed all of that. It was so bad it forced them to play Brian Maurer. Which there is a reason JT Shrout is running at the 2 this year instead of BM. Chaney is going to force JG to throw guys open this year. If he doesn’t they are finally going to give Shrout a look. If that fails you might see Bailey. But I don’t see JG finishing the year as a starter.
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
Lol, Chris Weinke literally helped Cam Newton get better. He helped Ryan Tannehill, etc etc. you are absolutely ridiculous. People get hired as analysts all the time. He coached QBs in the pros for roughly 2 years. When the Rams made a coaching overhaul Weinke was kicked to the curb by the new staff. He found a job as an analyst. Seems like it worked out. Also, he wouldn’t of got a raise if he sucked at coaching QBs Pruitt/Chaney wouldn’t allow it.
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So you think a guy who is a QB guru, who did all the things you’re saying, isn’t picked up by an NFL team, or even a college team as a QB coach, but ends up as an analyst at Bama before coaching RB’s at TN? Highly unlikely.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
That’s probably fair. I think we all just need to hope that I am dead wrong about Weinke and JG comes out a new man (not likely because not even Brady could fix JG imo) or that HB5 takes over day 1.
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We need HB15 to take over. JG’s mistakes aren’t really correctable. He just doesn’t have that it factor. He waits until he sees a guy open and then tries to throw. It’s way too late then. Not sure if he’s she’ll shocked or what but weinke can’t really correct that. I think Pruitt did by trying to give him confidence by hyping him up last season and it clearly didn’t work
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
So you think a guy who is a QB guru, who did all the things you’re saying, isn’t picked up by an NFL team, or even a college team as a QB coach, but ends up as an analyst at Bama before coaching RB’s at TN? Highly unlikely.
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Again, Pruitt wanted Weinke on staff. Tyson Helton had already been named Offensive Coordinator/QB Coach in December. Weinke was hired by Pruitt sometime around February and we had just lost our RBs coach. So Weinke got the nod to take the RB coach position so that Pruitt could have him on staff. Don’t really know why that is hard to understand. (RB coaches make more then analysts)
 
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