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MoCo_Vol said:
The comment isn't to discuss (yet again) JG, it's to point out that -his- best season came with Weinke as his positional coach.

2018: 2 game over 200 yards, 4 games with 2 or more TD passes (5-7)
2019: 4 games over 200 yards, 6 games with 2 or more TD passes (8-5)
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Okay... but one of those games in 2019 was Chattanooga. Another was GSU, and in spite of the stats, he was awful in that game. Do you disagree? He played very well against Mizzou, even though he still missed many WO receivers in the red zone. That does not overcome the fact that they literally would not allow him to pass in 2 games this season and his awful performance in 9 out of 13 games this season. At least in 2018 you knew he'd be accurate with the football whereas in 2019 every time he passed you worried if it was going to the other team. Stats don't tell the whole story and you know it.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
What responsibility do the QB's have? The delay in JG's throws ain't on Weinke, I don't care what you say. Shrout and Maurer get a pass because they were a RS-Freshman and Freshman.
Folks making the same argument to get rid of Friend....when you don't have much to work with, you do what you can.
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JG is not good. But theres still no reason why he should have regressed when he had the best OC he's ever worked with. I'm not saying it's Weinke's fault. I'm saying we don't know and he hasn't shown anything either on the field or on the trail that gives me much confidence in him as a coach.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Our QB's playing better. Not worse. Pretty simple. Under Weinke JG played worse than he did the year before under Helton.
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What if JG doesn't play and HB plays out of his mind? Would you attribute that to Weinke or just HB being a freaky good QB?
 
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Glitch said:
What if JG doesn't play and HB plays out of his mind? Would you attribute that to Weinke or just HB being a freaky good QB?
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Good question. I wouldn't be on here criticizing Weinke if that happened. Id say I'd attribute freshman HB mostly to HB. If he progresses and gets better his sophomore year, you'd see me on here praising Weinke for his development.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
JG is not good. But theres still no reason why he should have regressed when he had the best OC he's ever worked with. I'm not saying it's Weinke's fault. I'm saying we don't know and he hasn't shown anything either on the field or on the trail that gives me much confidence in him as a coach.
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You sure argue relentlessly and at every opportunity to bash the guy for someone who admits you don’t know if weinke is to blame.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Okay... but one of those games in 2019 was Chattanooga. Another was GSU, and in spite of the stats, he was awful in that game. Do you disagree? He played very well against Mizzou, even though he still missed many WO receivers in the red zone. That does not overcome the fact that they literally would not allow him to pass in 2 games this season and his awful performance in 9 out of 13 games this season. At least in 2018 you knew he'd be accurate with the football whereas in 2019 every time he passed you worried if it was going to the other team. Stats don't tell the whole story and you know it.
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Helton handled JG with low risk/low reward play calling so of course his accuracy looked better.

7.8 yards per attempt vs 8.4 yards per attempt

Also not sure what 9 games you're talking about...Georgia was Maurer's game so JG only had 5 attempts. Mississippi State was also supposed to be Maurer's game, so he only had 7 attempts hit on 6 for 106 and a TD though. Kentucky again was supposed to be Maurer's game so he only got 8 attempts and hit on 7 for 115 and 2 TDs.

Chattanooga he was 7/8 for 142 and 3 TDs

I actually thought Georgia State was a good outing for JG, his BYU game was the worse one. His best performance other than Missouri was probably South Carolina, 11/19 for 229 and 2 TDs before being knocked out of the game. But despite missing series in 7 out of 14 games he still managed 5 games with 20 or more attempts compared to 7 in 2018 where he only missed real snaps in 2 games.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Helton handled JG with low risk/low reward play calling so of course his accuracy looked better.

7.8 yards per attempt vs 8.4 yards per attempt

Also not sure what 9 games you're talking about...Georgia was Maurer's game so JG only had 5 attempts. Mississippi State was also supposed to be Maurer's game, so he only had 7 attempts hit on 6 for 106 and a TD though. Kentucky again was supposed to be Maurer's game so he only got 8 attempts and hit on 7 for 115 and 2 TDs.

Chattanooga he was 7/8 for 142 and 3 TDs

I actually thought Georgia State was a good outing for JG, his BYU game was the worse one. His best performance other than Missouri was probably South Carolina, 11/19 for 229 and 2 TDs before being knocked out of the game. But despite missing series in 7 out of 14 games he still managed 5 games with 20 or more attempts compared to 7 in 2018 where he only missed real snaps in 2 games.
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I thought he played fantastic against SC and Mizzou.

I wasn’t thinking with Ga. but he played 3 quarters against MSU and they only allowed him to pass 8 times. What’s that tell you? His role in that game was to hand the ball off. That’s it. He was awful against GSU with bad turnovers and missed WO receivers. He played the entire 2nd half against Ky and only threw 8 passes. Again. What does that tell you? KY was an okay game also for him. Chatt is Chatt. Who cares?

Point is, he did not improve. When you are not allowed to pass in certain games and you’re pulled in others, you have not improved. We entered the season with Pruitt saying JG is the guy to Pruitt benching him 4 games in at Fl. And in fact it should’ve been earlier at BYU.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
And the RS junior got worse under him and the RS freshman didn’t get better
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how do you know that the Freshman didn’t get better? We weren’t in a position to really let either one play (everyone was calling for Pruitt to be fired after JG crapped the bed) and the one that did play got hurt every game he played. So you had JG who eventually ended up winning us games.

We had a complete overhaul of the offense last year thanks to Chaney. This year the continuity of his offense will show. Blaming the QBs on Weinke is a little weak lol. Especially when he coached QBs in the pros and was known as a QB Guru.
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
how do you know that the Freshman didn’t get better? We weren’t in a position to really let either one play (everyone was calling for Pruitt to be fired after JG crapped the bed) and the one that did play got hurt every game he played. So you had JG who eventually ended up winning us games.

We had a complete overhaul of the offense last year thanks to Chaney. This year the continuity of his offense will show. Blaming the QBs on Weinke is a little weak lol. Especially when he coached QBs in the pros and was known as a QB Guru.
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I don’t get this argument. If he was known as a QB guru in the NFL, he never would have been brought here to coach RB’s. Someone would have hired him as their QB coach, don’t you think? And don’t you think he would’ve taken it? And yet he found his way to UT as a RB coach.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Okay... but one of those games in 2019 was Chattanooga. Another was GSU, and in spite of the stats, he was awful in that game. Do you disagree? He played very well against Mizzou, even though he still missed many WO receivers in the red zone. That does not overcome the fact that they literally would not allow him to pass in 2 games this season and his awful performance in 9 out of 13 games this season. At least in 2018 you knew he'd be accurate with the football whereas in 2019 every time he passed you worried if it was going to the other team. Stats don't tell the whole story and you know it.
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I think the story with him is and props to Helton for most of 18’.... he hid him very well. The vast majority of his throws were within 5 yards of the LOS. Chaney asked him to do more and he couldn’t.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
I thought he played fantastic against SC and Mizzou.

I wasn’t thinking with Ga. but he played 3 quarters against MSU and they only allowed him to pass 8 times. What’s that tell you? His role in that game was to hand the ball off. That’s it. He was awful against GSU with bad turnovers and missed WO receivers. He played the entire 2nd half against Ky and only threw 8 passes. Again. What does that tell you? KY was an okay game also for him. Chatt is Chatt. Who cares?

Point is, he did not improve. When you are not allowed to pass in certain games and you’re pulled in others, you have not improved. We entered the season with Pruitt saying JG is the guy to Pruitt benching him 4 games in at Fl. And in fact it should’ve been earlier at BYU.
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Well, you're basically saying his worse games were early in the season. And agreeing his best games were later in the season.

His 3 best games without question were Mizzou, South Carolina, and Kentucky. All occurred in late October or later.

Did he improve from 2018 to 2019? Not really, but he did get yet another OC with a new system to digest. He did however appear to improve in 2019 from the beginning to the end.

But we also only have one season with Weinke as the QB coach under his belt and he inherited JG/JT. It'll be interesting to see how well he develops Maurer/Bailey though.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
I don’t get this argument. If he was known as a QB guru in the NFL, he never would have been brought here to coach RB’s. Someone would have hired him as their QB coach, don’t you think? And don’t you think he would’ve taken it? And yet he found his way to UT as a RB coach.
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Need anymore evidence? Sometimes you get people on your staff in any way you can. When Weinke was RB coach Helton wanted to manage QBs. So that’s what happened. When Helton left Weinke managed QBs. It’s pretty simple.

Brian Niedermeyer was normally a defensive coach but was coaching Tight Ends.... now guess what.... he is coaching LBs.
 
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