2020 Primaries

[McDad]

Hey Zep, have you decided on who is getting your support now that Pete is out? Do you think we see him as part of the ticket as VP or in the cabinet if the D candidate is elected?

 

[Weezer]

It’s sounds like your defense is that it allows the minority to rule the majority, and you’re happy with that. Still no logic as to why the EC is fair to voters.

In the history of the EC, how many times has it happened that the winner didn't also win the popular vote? Five. I can't make you understand the importance the FFs put on states rights. It's evident in the Constitution how they felt. The representatives to the Constitutional Convention were about representing their states, not a federal government that had yet to truly form.

As I said previously, you're butthurt because Hillary lost. Telling that you didn't answer my question to if the roles had been reversed. You just want things your way.

 

[Rifleman]

your mistake is thinking that every generation will be liberal, Generation Z and its predecessor are likely to be much more conservative than the millennial. It is a political shift every 25-30 years and it doesn't ever stay static. Younger generations want to be different than their parents

Gen Z looks pretty much the same as the millenials, if not a little more liberal. Boomers and and Gen X could still get a little more conservative maybe, but it is not enough to keep Texas blue once these younger generations finally move from Twitter slacktivism into actual voting.

Generation Z Looks a Lot Like Millennials on Key Social and Political Issues

 

[volfanjustin]

Even Jill Stein going after fragile Biden

 

[GVF]

Less populated states have a smaller population.
Really big land area states have more land.
Smaller land area states have less land.
Heavily populated states have a larger population.
States with a lot of lakes and rives have a lot of water sources.
States with tall mountains have areas of high elevation.

States are important for different reasons.
But hypothetically, if states randomly disappeared and reappeared, some would be missed much more than others during their absence.

Well, someone did just fine in 7th grade geography. Glad we could clear that up. Not a direct answer as to smaller states being less important in their voting voice, but I didn't really expect an honest answer.

 

[Weezer]

Had Trump won the popular vote and Hillary the EC I would have thought 2 things.
1. I can't believe that many people actually knowingly pulled the lever for Trump - stupefying.
2. It's about time that a horrible system works to the advantage of the other side for a change.

It's like watching a horribly called football game where all of the bad calls are benefiting one team. When an obviously bad call finally benefits your team, you're thinking "about damn time."
When a game is full of bad calls, it's best for everyone if they sort of even out.

If it helps, you can substitute questionable targeting calls in for bad calls.

It's called subjective morals. You have them in spades.

 

[Weezer]

I think all debates should end in a fist fight between candidates. Would really help me decide who is worthy of leading this country.

 

[Fun coupon VOL]

 

[McDad]

My son rebelled against me by eschewing heavy metal and hard rock in favor of bluegrass.

WTH?

OC Son: Dad, I need to talk to you. It's important.
OC: Sure, son. What's up?
OC Son: Well, I don't feel like the other boys.
OC Son: I feel different inside. I don't think I like the same things they do.
OC: Uh....Ok. It's okay son, you can tell me anything. [thinking silently. please don't be gay]
OC Son: I've been feeling this way for a long time. Probably ever since I was a little kid.
OC: ..... [please don't be gay]
OC Son: Dad, I hope you and Mom aren't disappointed and will still love me.
OC: We will always love you. Why don't you just say what you need to say. [please don't be gay]
OC Son: Dad, I like ...Bluegrass music.
OC: NOOOOOOO! WE DIDN'T RAISE YOU TO BE THIS WAY. Can you please just be gay instead???

 

[luthervol]

Well, someone did just fine in 7th grade geography. Glad we could clear that up. Not a direct answer as to smaller states being less important in their voting voice, but I didn't really expect an honest answer.

You asked if small states were less important.
Are you now asking if small states are less important in their voting voice?
Of course they are.
They are under the EC. All states do not get the same number of EC votes, that would give them equal importance.
Not even the FF would go that far. They knew that population had to be a key component.

 

[Rifleman]

Even Jill Stein going after fragile Biden

That moment when you get so afraid of Joe Biden whipping Trump's ass, you have to celebrate a Jill Stein tweet.

That's pure gold, VFJ!!!

 

[Rifleman]

My son rebelled against me by eschewing heavy metal and hard rock in favor of bluegrass.

WTH?

I can help you come together . . .

 

[zeppelin128]

Hey Zep, have you decided on who is getting your support now that Pete is out? Do you think we see him as part of the ticket as VP or in the cabinet if the D candidate is elected?

I'm okay with Biden, he doesn't exactly illicit excitement from me, but he seems like a decent man. I agree with him way more than Bernie, so it is a pretty easy choice. Trump is an absolute no, never in a million years.
Pete won't be on the ticket for VP imo, I think that will probably be a woman. He could easily be a cabinet member of any department. Those of us in the campaign are hoping for Ambassador to the UN, Secretary of Veterans Affairs, or Secretary of HUD.

 

[Sea Ray]

You love to state this is a fact, but you can’t defend it’s logic.

Well I start with facts and you can't seem to grasp that one. I understand in your opinion it's not logical but I agree with their reasons. Here's a short little lesson on why they did it:



If not for the electoral college candidates could run only on urban issues and forget the rural folks.

 

[OHvol40]

You've yet to establish why it's unfair to use the EC for presidential elections, no matter what other elections use. You've appealed to some emotional concept of "fairness" without defining its source. You've used appeals to authority, laced with the hope that I'll be embarrassed for not "evolving" (whatever that's supposed to mean.)

I'm asking you to logically establish why it's more fair for the national presidential election to use popular vote than the EC. (Hint: Every other election is far more locally defined. State House... State Senate... State reps... When it makes it to the guy that represents all states nationally, the FFs didn't want a few small geographic locations trumping everyone else.)

So why should the scope of an election change the method? Either popular voting is fair or it’s not. You can’t have it both ways.

 

[GVF]

It's not even the team with the most states.

That's what the EC is all about. It provides for less populated states to have an equal vote, while at the same time providing more delegates to densely populated regions so that they don't get skewed in favor of a small state. But, it's those small states that some candidates overlook going for the big buckets, when they need to pay attention to all voters.

 

[luthervol]

It's called subjective morals. You have them in spades.

I have always thought the EC was inappropriate.
Would I rather occasionally benefit from an inappropriate system than continuously get screwed by an inappropriate system?
Certainly.
Is that what you call subjective morals? I would think everyone feels the same.

 

[TrumpedUpVol]

It will go blue and should be considered a battleground state right now. The trends and data analytics are very stark and very clear:

People have been saying this for years and it simply never comes to pass. It's true that cities in Texas are becoming increasingly blue and that Dallas/Harris/Bexar grow in population every year while the rural areas tend to shrink, but the amount Beto spent to lose in 2018 despite these clear advantages and Republicans taking Texas for granted implies to me that you're going to have a hard time turning Texas blue with a non-Latino Democrat provided Republicans start giving Texas just a touch more TLC (which, I suppose, falls in line with your policies/dispositions/outreach question).

 

[OHvol40]

In the history of the EC, how many times has it happened that the winner didn't also win the popular vote? Five. I can't make you understand the importance the FFs put on states rights. It's evident in the Constitution how they felt. The representatives to the Constitutional Convention were about representing their states, not a federal government that had yet to truly form.

As I said previously, you're butthurt because Hillary lost. Telling that you didn't answer my question to if the roles had been reversed. You just want things your way.

Why do you people find a way to sneak Hillary into every possible discussion? This is a voting philosophy discussion. It makes it extremely difficult to take you seriously.

 

[McDad]

I'm okay with Biden, he doesn't exactly illicit excitement from me, but he seems like a decent man. I agree with him way more than Bernie, so it is a pretty easy choice. Trump is an absolute no, never in a million years.
Pete won't be on the ticket for VP imo, I think that will probably be a woman. He could easily be a cabinet member of any department. Those of us in the campaign are hoping for Ambassador to the UN, Secretary of Veterans Affairs, or Secretary of HUD.

Why those appointments?

 

[Septic]

It's awesome, huh? Joe's no pssy, trump would have cowed down and then talk about how he pimp slapped the low information auto worker plebe.

 

[AM64]

He's telling them that the propaganda is wrong and not intimidated being surrounded by a bunch of big guys in hard hats. Some would say that makes him senile, but I think it's amazing.

Easy to be that amazing when you are surrounded by SS agents with guns.

 

[luthervol]

That's what the EC is all about. It provides for less populated states to have an equal vote, while at the same time providing more delegates to densely populated regions so that they don't get skewed in favor of a small state. But, it's those small states that some candidates overlook going for the big buckets, when they need to pay attention to all voters.

No one pays attention to all voters. The EC has led to only a handful of battle ground states being campaigned.
If a state is blue or red, they will be passed over. Purple receives the attention.

When someone campaigns in a smaller state, where do they go? The biggest town or city.
They don't go to the most rural and underpopulated counties.
What about those poor souls? Don't their votes count as much as the city-slickers in Butte Montana?
Why do the politicians only go to Butte and "flyover" the 200 in Dixon Montana?
It's a ridiculous argument. People vote. Politicians campaign to people.

 

[AirVol]

@AirVol is usually the one leading the mob and passing out the pitchforks.

He's slipping.

My feelings are hurt.

Currently in St Augustine checking out the spring breakers. Bike week too.

 

[Septic]

Well I start with facts and you can't seem to grasp that one. I understand in your opinion it's not logical but I agree with their reasons. Here's a short little lesson on why they did it:



If not for the electoral college candidates could run only on urban issues and forget the rural folks.

'Urban' is code for where the American people live.