2020 Primaries

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luthervol said:
Not in the same way at all. People fear the mafia and their wrongdoings are rarely videoed and shown on a continuous loop to millions.
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You just admitted that "no charges means no crime" isn't valid logic. You're just making assumptions that the supposed victim involved wasn't intimidated enough by the second most powerful man in the western world to keep quiet being fondled without giving permission.
 
#4,502
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luthervol said:
I think the left understands perfectly well that the pendulum has always and will always swing from side to side.
Luckily the "fixed" point actually slowly moves left. The battle is over how quickly that "fixed" point moves.
This isn't a right left issue. This isn't a Hillary lost issue.
This is and always has been about Trump - a horrendously despicable human.
I don't think the right understands that critical point.
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Trump is what happens when one side gets too comfortable moving that center point and starts telling everybody that if you don’t move with us then you are some .. ism or phobic. He’s the course correction . We’ve pulled that center line back closer to actually center .
 
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Weezer said:
Not going to argue against Trump being an ass hat, because he is. But part of the reason this country needs healing is the fact the Dems never came to terms with Hillary losing. Now you're saying Biden will "heal" the country? How? Because he's a Dem so that will make them happy again? If this country needs to be healed from anything, it's the growing political divide, not Trump. And no matter how the luther's of the world try to spin this as being "Trump's fault", that's just choosing to ignore this problem was growing and festering long before Trump ever took office. You could argue it's come to a head during his term, but exactly whose fault that is is up for debate. Neither side is innocent, though both sides like to make that they are. The Dems made it quite clear after the election they had no plans to work with Trump and immediately went on the attack. And Trump is a narcissist intent on showing he's in control. Both sides are guilty, so blaming only one side is naïve at best.
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The issue with dem's is you give them an inch then they want a foot. Then are never happy. You can never reach the great utopia they long for. They call you racist to shut you down then get mad when you fight back calling you divisive when it is they who stirs the pot so they can continue moving the country left.
 
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volfanhill said:
You should be better then to take a 5 second clip and call it assault. And no one who saw it live called it a problem. No one who aired the video. Jesus don’t be a ridiculous
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Can you read?

(I'm not even saying it was assault. I'm saying the the logic is toro caca--i.e. "No charges means no assault". Especially in the #MeToo era.)
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luthervol said:
I think the left understands perfectly well that the pendulum has always and will always swing from side to side.
Luckily the "fixed" point actually slowly moves left. The battle is over how quickly that "fixed" point moves.
This isn't a right left issue. This isn't a Hillary lost issue.
This is and always has been about Trump - a horrendously despicable human.
I don't think the right understands that critical point.
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You are a broken record
 
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Orange_Crush said:
You just admitted that "no charges means no crime" isn't valid logic. You're just making assumptions that the supposed victim involved wasn't intimidated enough by the second most powerful man in the western world to keep quiet being fondled without giving permission.
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It's on a continuum......like everything else.
The fact that he has never been accused once, despite the fact the right says he is a habitual abuser tells you all you need to know.
 
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0nelilreb said:
Trump is what happens when one side gets too comfortable moving that center point and starts telling everybody that if you don’t move with us then you are some .. ism or phobic. He’s the course correction . We’ve pulled that center line back closer to actually center .
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Trump was not the appropriate vehicle for achieving that goal.
That's the big elephant in the room.
 
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luthervol said:
It's on a continuum......like everything else.
The fact that he has never been accused once, despite the fact the right says he is a habitual abuser tells you all you need to know.
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You hiding behind your continuum and telling people all they need to know. Cute.

Anyway... You tried to pose your assumptions as logic and had to backtrack and admit it.
 
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luthervol said:
Trump was not the appropriate vehicle for achieving that goal.
That's the big elephant in the room.
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That’s extremely subjective. 10s Millions would disagree and say he was exactly what was needed to shock the system back closer to center . Just because one side was being dragged , kicking and screaming , doesn’t mean he wasn’t the right one to do it or to be re-elected to continue to do it .. remains to be seen .
 
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Orange_Crush said:
You hiding behind your continuum and telling people all they need to know. Cute.

Anyway... You tried to pose your assumptions as logic and had to backtrack and admit it.
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I haven't backtracked a bit.
I said, and continue to say, the fact that he has never been accused speaks for itself.
 
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0nelilreb said:
That’s extremely subjective. 10s Millions would disagree and say he was exactly what was needed to shock the system back closer to center . Just because one side was drug kicking and screaming doesn’t mean he wasn’t the right one to do or to be re-elected to continue to do it .. remains to be seen .
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That's the big debate.
Bring on the next election.
Bring on historical perspective.
Trumpism will find its rightful place and there will be agreement among the ever growing majority.
 
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luthervol said:
That's the big debate.
Bring on the next election.
Bring on historical perspective.
Trumpism will find its rightful place and there will be agreement among the ever growing majority.
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How much of this bs changes when Trump is re-elected?
 
#4,522
#4,522
JCP201 said:
I should have made my vow of lent to stay out of the PF.

Right now, there is no other candidate that says they want to work to bring us all together-- Democrats and Republicans. Both sides of the aisle, etc. I know people like Kasich and Romney are hated now and probably Bernie Bros would be horrified, but I like that he is saying this. It's a start-- I hope that he will keep to that. Call me naive, but I have to hope. This video about Biden not political but heartfelt..

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Biden is similar to Obama. They say nice things in one breath then things like "elections have consequences" in another. It's politics. If Biden suits your politics, fine. I just don't see the point in saying he'll "heal" the country. That's just not true. He'll work to institute a more liberal agenda while being opposed by the right. No different than Trump pushes a more conservative agenda while being opposed by the left. None of that is going to change. Both sides will continue to demonize each other. That's not "healing" That's just one side being happy because they're in charge.
 
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luthervol said:
It had nothing to do with Hillary losing and everything to do with Trump winning.
Until that critical distinction is acknowledged, the lesson will continue t be completely misunderstood.
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Until you accept your side was a sore loser, you'll remain living in denial. The real lesson is sometimes the other side wins and you have to live it. It's called life.
 
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luthervol said:
The reaction shouldn't be the same because the person would be nowhere near as horrendously despicable.
Trump is not normal.
Trump has never been normal.
Trump should never be normalized.
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Once more I feel the need to remind you that your opinion is not fact. Someone may very well feel like Biden or Sanders are far worse than Trump. They are as entitled to their opinion as you are to yours. People could make the exact same statements that they aren't normal, have never been normal, and should not be normalized. That's how opinions work. Just because you believe something does not make it true.
 
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0nelilreb said:
Disagree completely, once is a blip in history . Being elected then re-elected takes it out of anomaly status , it’s a pattern and since there is only two terms for anyone , it makes it normal .
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Not unusual for us to disagree.
Trumpism is a catastrophic anomaly: be it one year, two years, four years, or six years.
 
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