Gun control debate (merged)

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#12,826
bnhunt said:
I can think of 15,381 reasons why ...
There were more mass shootings than days in 2019
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Sounds to me like we have a escalation in criminals and crimes . What do you think is the cause , since nothing changed from previous years allowing less gun legislation? I mean we know for Fact that gun regulations in these areas certainly weren’t relaxed , I know you aren’t saying it is directly related to gun ownership since there are over 393 million guns in the U..S. The latest figures are from 2017 @ 39, 783 gun related deaths ( that includes the highest category - suicide ) . I mean there’s less vehicles in the U.S. ( 287.3 million ) and there were 38,800 deaths due to car crashes . Oddly enough vehicles ( SUVs) getting bigger and more safe is bringing the numbers down from crashes but , we are now killing more pedestrians and bicyclists. 81% more . So do we really have a gun and vehicle problem or do we have a people problem ? It’s hard for me to have this reasonable and rational debate about my 2a rights when the stats are cherry picked / sensationalized and we avoid the real issues ... people , not inanimate objects kill other people .
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
No. Do you trust the government to be the only ones with guns?
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I realize you didn’t direct your question to me but my answer is a resounding Hell No! Me and my circle of shooting friends have way more firearms and safety training time than most police and military. There’s been many studies that show just how incompetent most police are when it comes to shooting accuracy during actual events. Just because they wear a badge or uniform doesn’t necessarily equate to safer or better performance under stress.
 
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bnhunt said:
There are other inalienable rights too, which the "right" to unfettered firearms significantly infringe upon. Why do gun fanatics ignore every other constitutional right? I guess the right to free speech isn't as much fun as firing an uzi or AK-47.
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You have tried this before yet you still have not explained how the right to firearms infringes on other rights.

You might start there.
 
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bnhunt said:
Enthusiasm is a feeling.
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The difference being , I can defend my rights being enthusiastic, I can’t defend my rights feeling sorry for others because they think differently than I do . Feeling sorry for others is an emotion that would require me to give up my rights to each and every person or group that told me having them is wrong and was offending them somehow . It’s the difference between having individual rights and mob mentally / group think .
 
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hog88 said:
You have tried this before yet you still have not explained how the right to firearms infringes on other rights.

You might start there.
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One could make a better argument that Sharknado should have won the Oscar for best picture than inanimate objects infringe on any right. In fact it's definitionally impossible.
 
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bnhunt said:
There are other inalienable rights too, which the "right" to unfettered firearms significantly infringe upon. Why do gun fanatics ignore every other constitutional right? I guess the right to free speech isn't as much fun as firing an uzi or AK-47.
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Shooting either would more fun than talking to those who cant understand basic concepts.

The act of owning a gun does not threaten anyone. It does not deny anyone any freedoms or rights.a gun existing in someone's presence does not define some existential crisis that requires the elimination of rights.

There are 33k gun deaths a year. Including the 22k+ suicides. A conservative number of privately held guns in this country is the same as our population. 330million. Meaning if you take all the gun deaths, including suicides that only 0.01%, yes percent, kill anyone. If you add in all other non fatal shootings it means that 0.03% of guns are "bad".

Please explain how we are facing a crisis.

Cars are more than 60 times as likely to hurt or kill, (30k deaths, 3 million injuries, 150 million cars), 2% of cars hurt people each year.

The numbers dont back up your phobia.
 
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LouderVol said:
Shooting either would more fun than talking to those who cant understand basic concepts.

The act of owning a gun does not threaten anyone. It does not deny anyone any freedoms or rights.a gun existing in someone's presence does not define some existential crisis that requires the elimination of rights.

There are 33k gun deaths a year. Including the 22k+ suicides. A conservative number of privately held guns in this country is the same as our population. 330million. Meaning if you take all the gun deaths, including suicides that only 0.01%, yes percent, kill anyone. If you add in all other non fatal shootings it means that 0.03% of guns are "bad".

Please explain how we are facing a crisis.

Cars are more than 60 times as likely to hurt or kill, (30k deaths, 3 million injuries, 150 million cars), 2% of cars hurt people each year.

The numbers dont back up your phobia.
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Alcohol is even worse. Let's ban Alcohol again and see how that works.
 
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bnhunt said:
Every one of these people was a "law abiding" gun owner until they committed these crimes. That's the beauty of the Right's argument as we can never take someone's gun away until after something awful has happened.
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That's how all laws and rights work. You dont punish people before they do something. It's not how our system works. Mr PreCrime here wants your rights before something dangerous happens.

No more voting, you might vote for Trump. No more freedom of speech, you may say something we dont like that "hurts" someone. No more freedom of religion, because some people associated with your beliefs did something bad. No more fair trials as the guilty might get away on a technicality, better to just lock them up. No more drinking alcohol because.., oops we already found out prohibition doesnt work.
 
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bnhunt said:
Not saying take it way, just impose sensible restrictions. I'm sure the parents of the kids at Sandy Hook would be okay with you having to waiting another 7 days to get your 100th gun.
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So the shooting happening 7 days later, or the next school year (dec 14th) would have made it better?

Also way to jump straight to hypberole on the 100th gun. You really have no argument.
 
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bnhunt said:
There are other inalienable rights too, which the "right" to unfettered firearms significantly infringe upon. Why do gun fanatics ignore every other constitutional right? I guess the right to free speech isn't as much fun as firing an uzi or AK-47.
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You are staring to prove you are either not a lawyer or a very poor one. You would lose a high school debate with these leaps of logic.
 
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bnhunt said:
There are other inalienable rights too, which the "right" to unfettered firearms significantly infringe upon. Why do gun fanatics ignore every other constitutional right? I guess the right to free speech isn't as much fun as firing an uzi or AK-47.
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Get rid of 2A and watch how quickly those other rights start getting infringed upon until they are also gone.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Weird..no new screeching thread about the mass shooting at the Molson Coors plant in Milwaukee yesterday.

I wonder why?.............
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Amazing how you went all day yesterday without mentioning it, but now you're screeching. I wonder why?
 
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joevol33 said:
Nice deflection. Everyone knows why you, EL, LG, etc refuse to say a word about it.
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Why is that? Because me, EL, LG and ever other person on this board didn't know the identity of the shooter? But now that you know, what do you have to say about the shooter?
 
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Mick said:
Why is that? Because me, EL, LG and ever other person on this board didn't know the identity of the shooter? But now that you know, what do you have to say about the shooter?
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Same as any shooter, he's the one responsible, not the gun. Also like any other person who does this, he's a piece of crap. Thing is, you don't see any of you guys starting a thread, blaming Trump, or even condemning him. Says a lot my man, says a lot.
 
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joevol33 said:
Same as any shooter, he's the one responsible, not the gun. Also like any other person who does this, he's a piece of crap. Thing is, you don't see any of you guys starting a thread, blaming Trump, or even condemning him. Says a lot my man, says a lot.
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It does speaks volumes about you. Where was your words of condemnation when you didn't know? Maybe you should start a thread, It would be interesting to read the comments.
 
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