Gun control debate (merged)

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NorthDallas40 said:
I’m disappointed all the time when I ask people if they view it as the government’s responsibility to guarantee their safety and whether they have any responsibility in the matter or not. Then it’s immediately followed up by “but what happens if they aren’t there to protect you at the moment your life is in danger and you need them the most in that regard?” Ive never gotten a straight answer other than they acknowledge they are toast.

That doesn’t even touch on the broader topic you’re referring to.
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Try asking people if they own themselves. Or if anyone can claim a higher right to their lives than themselves. Funny times we’re living in.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Lots of folks don’t understand the meaning of an Inalienable right. They’ll just as quickly point out that the 2a says “well regulated” thinking they can be regulated. When you point out “Shall not be infringed” they want to change the subject. That’s what an inalienable right means, it cannot be taken away.
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Yep, we had the right to bear arms the day Adam was created or the first monkey turned into a man (whichever version you believe).
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Lots of folks don’t understand the meaning of an Inalienable right. They’ll just as quickly point out that the 2a says “well regulated” thinking they can be regulated. When you point out “Shall not be infringed” they want to change the subject. That’s what an inalienable right means, it cannot be taken away.
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You generally reference people who are, at best, ignorant of the differences relating to the prefatory clause and the operative clause divided by that damned comma. At worst you have people with at least some understanding but are outright hostile to the realities such understanding entails.
 
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utvols88 said:
I would call self defense a subcategory of it but its imperative to understand that without the right, we are subject to become Venezuela.

I'm also not calling out any posters. it's something I see often though.
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I don’t disagree with your statement. Without the 2a personal defense via firearms becomes much less accessible by law abiding citizens.

Was just alluding to the way gun grabbers bounce around between talking points either, or both at the same time, stance applies. Cheers.
 
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Mick said:
What does an 11 year old girl open carrying have to do with this legislation?
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That people dont need to be scared about guns? It's so easy even an 11yo can do it? There were some quotes from the family about it. Still would have liked to hear her side and not her guardians.

Again just from the quotes it seemed like the family had more points than the granddaughter. Talking about the CC permits from other states being the same as theirs. That idaho is an open carry state for all, not just in state. So why is CC different.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
You are talking about folks who take the defense of their lives as a personal responsibility. Also the most law abiding people in this country. Y’all want the state to protect everyone. Just so you know, that has a very poor track record.
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And federal judges have even said the cops have no obligation to protect us. So depending on the government is extraordinarily dumb.
 
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0nelilreb said:
I no longer argue with idiots that have told me I should be reasonable or rational after they have admitted they would vote for anyone coming from the left to be POTUS . Bloomberg is anti gun , not reduced access or limited anything , he and his foundation that he created are anti gunners . Some of these people in here arguing about reasonable and rational have already said they would vote for him .
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So true. Biden is the perfect example of an ignorant anti-gunner who made the stupid comment in last night’s debate that gun makers being protected from legal action resulted in 150 million people being killed in this country since 2007. There is nothing to be gained trying to debate/reason with the stupid and ignorant.
 
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TNVOLNAVY said:
So true. Biden is the perfect example of an ignorant anti-gunner who made the stupid comment in last night’s debate that gun makers being protected from legal action resulted in 150 million people being killed in this country since 2007. There is nothing to be gained trying to debate/reason with the stupid and ignorant.
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What's really odd, is all these folks who cry about trump lying, don't even blink about their guts flat out lying like Biden did.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Lots of folks don’t understand the meaning of an Inalienable right. They’ll just as quickly point out that the 2a says “well regulated” thinking they can be regulated. When you point out “Shall not be infringed” they want to change the subject. That’s what an inalienable right means, it cannot be taken away.
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There are other inalienable rights too, which the "right" to unfettered firearms significantly infringe upon. Why do gun fanatics ignore every other constitutional right? I guess the right to free speech isn't as much fun as firing an uzi or AK-47.
 
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bnhunt said:
There are other inalienable rights too, which the "right" to unfettered firearms significantly infringe upon. Why do gun fanatics ignore every other constitutional right? I guess the right to free speech isn't as much fun as firing an oozi or AK-47.
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It’s spelled Uzi, and how are we fanatics and what other constitutional rights are we ignoring?
 
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