Gun control debate (merged)

[luthervol]

How irrational and unreasonable are you?

If either hurts someone then no.

And what do you say to the people who claim those things hurt no one?

 

[hog88]

And what do you say to the people who claim those things hurt no one?

They are idiots, what else is there to say?

 

[LouderVol]

That's a butt load of accusation with no supporting detail.
I'll just say.....not true.
Feel free to be more specific.

More specific as to what?

Rifles are 8th of the list of homicide weapons. And that doesnt include any number of non homicide deaths, via cars, drugs (legal or not), choking, etc.

You cherry pick an object as the worst thing ever for a person to have, when any objective look at the information shows it's not even top 10.

 

[0nelilreb]

So surface to air missiles are good?

Not for me no , too big , too expensive , too heavy , the neighbors b!tch when they go off early on a Sunday morning . I have no need or use for them . I also have no right to tell you that you can’t .

 

[LouderVol]

When have I ever argued against all guns?

"If it saves one life"
"For the good of society"
"X rounds in X time"
"Ever decreasing number of guns in the country"

If you had any working knowledge of guns you would know they pretty much all function the same way. So to cherry pick rifles has got to be a first step if you actually believe your bs. Unless again you are not internally consistent in your gun arguments. Which is actually where you sit.

 

[luthervol]

They are idiots, what else is there to say?

So should those things be restricted even though some feel they hurt no one?

 

[LouderVol]

Not for me no , too big , too expensive , too heavy , the neighbors b!tch when they go off early on a Sunday morning . I have no need of use for them . I also have no right to tell you that you can’t .

Drones.

Just saying.

 

[hog88]

So should those things be restricted even though some feel they hurt no one?

"Feels" has nothing to do with it.

 

[luthervol]

More specific as to what?

Rifles are 8th of the list of homicide weapons. And that doesnt include any number of non homicide deaths, via cars, drugs (legal or not), choking, etc.

You cherry pick an object as the worst thing ever for a person to have, when any objective look at the information shows it's not even top 10.

What's up with you and rifles? Did I ever call for rifles to be banned?

 

[luthervol]

Not for me no , too big , too expensive , too heavy , the neighbors b!tch when they go off early on a Sunday morning . I have no need of use for them . I also have no right to tell you that you can’t .

But society has that right if they determine the risk to individuals outweighs the benefit to individuals by the continuation of granting that right.

 

[0nelilreb]

Sure. Love thy neighbor and all.
But you know very well that the reality is that some will ignore that rational and reasonable restriction; which then necessitates that second layer of rational and reasonable restrictions. It's a bummer that society has to function that way, but unfortunately some individuals suk.

Hating your neighbor isn’t against the law , and no law forces me to love my neighbor . Both are at my discretion. The government can’t force people to do anything , they can only make things illegal and state the consequences of the action . The rest is up to the person .

 

[0nelilreb]

What's up with you and rifles? Did I ever call for rifles to be banned?

AKs are rifles, AR platforms are rifles .

 

[hog88]

But society has that right if they determine the risk to individuals outweighs the benefit to individuals by the continuation of granting that right.

Society does not grant rights.

 

[0nelilreb]

But society has that right if they determine the risk to individuals outweighs the benefit to individuals by the continuation of granting that right.

Society has the right to change the constitution with enough votes at any time . Always has . Everything else is just weasels and politicians backdooring my rights .

 

[luthervol]

"If it saves one life"
"For the good of society"
"X rounds in X time"
"Ever decreasing number of guns in the country"

If you had any working knowledge of guns you would know they pretty much all function the same way. So to cherry pick rifles has got to be a first step if you actually believe your bs. Unless again you are not internally consistent in your gun arguments. Which is actually where you sit.

I have never once said "if it saves one life" in any gun debate.
How is "for the good of society" me arguing against all guns. That's absurd, I've never argued for the elimination of all guns.
"X rounds in Y time" is some solid theory but in no way is an argument against all guns, quite the opposite.
Not sure about the last one. I've said and will continue to say, "I think 18 million guns being sold next year is preferable to 23 million guns being sold.:

 

[luthervol]

"Feels" has nothing to do with it.

Classic non-answer.
Do you believe those things should be restricted even though others believe they should not be restricted?

 

[luthervol]

Hating your neighbor isn’t against the law , and no law forces me to love my neighbor . Both are at my discretion. The government can’t force people to do anything , they can only make things illegal and state the consequences of the action . The rest is up to the person .

Duh. Do you think I claimed otherwise?

 

[hog88]

Classic non-answer.
Do you believe those things should be restricted even though others believe they should not be restricted?

Do they hurt other people?

 

[luthervol]

AKs are rifles, AR platforms are rifles .

Some rifles should be banned.....I never called for all rifles to be banned. Big difference.

 

[luthervol]

Society does not grant rights.

Society created the constitution.

 

[luthervol]

Do they hurt other people?

Depends on whose opinion you value.
There is disagreement.
What do you believe?

 

[hog88]

Society created the constitution.

We had the rights prior to the constitution, the constitution is a document promising not to infringe on our rights. Our constitution protects us from our government/society.

 

[LouderVol]

What's up with you and rifles? Did I ever call for rifles to be banned?

I told you before what you call "assault weapons" are actually rifles. "Acceptable"rifles dont function any differently than your "unacceptable" rifles.

 

[85SugarVol]

I have not heard of a lot of shotguns being used in mass shootings.

Did you miss the massacre in New Zealand?

The shooter opened that attack with a shotgun.

 

[hog88]

Depends on whose opinion you value.
There is disagreement.
What do you believe?

There is no opinion. Child porn hurts kids, selling drugs to minors hurts kids.