The Impeachment Thread

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utvolpj said:
It was a major promise made by Trump. I believe here even says it would be done easily

I don't believe there are many who want to do anything about it. That's why it's funny when people pretend there are lots who are trying
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It bothers me too. But the political suicide it would entail when entitlements are cut means it ain't going to happen until it's the wolf at the door, or in the kitchen.
 
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37L1 said:
Who really has?
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Ron Paul and the tea party moment made some effort but nothing really changes. It's why selling Trump as something different is such a farce. I'm just glad he finally admitted it yet some still don't seem to be convinced
 
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hog88 said:
She did know exactly what Mitch would do and held the impeachment paperwork trying to pressure him into doing what SHE wanted him to do.

They are holding a fair trial unless you think Clinton didn't receive a fair trial.
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You can keep saying that but it doesn't make it true.
She did not know that Mitch would blatantly and publicly state that he would not hold a fair trial.
and.....
They did not refuse any requests for the admission of pertinent documents or witnesses in the Clinton trial.
That is not the case in the Trump trial.
That, by definition, makes them not the same.
Unless you think things that are not equal are equal.
 
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utvolpj said:
Ron Paul and the tea party moment made some effort but nothing really changes. It's why selling Trump as something different is such a farce. I'm just glad he finally admitted it yet some still don't seem to be convinced
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The Tea Party turned out like any other political upstart, great ideas that ended up corrupted.
 
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utvolpj said:
Ron Paul and the tea party moment made some effort but nothing really changes. It's why selling Trump as something different is such a farce. I'm just glad he finally admitted it yet some still don't seem to be convinced
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I'm with you on this. Too bad the need to get elected supersedes the need to fix broken stuff.
 
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luthervol said:
You can keep saying that but it doesn't make it true.
She did not know that Mitch would blatantly and publicly state that he would not hold a fair trial.
and.....
They did not refuse any requests for the admission of pertinent documents or witnesses in the Clinton trial.
That is not the case in the Trump trial.
That, by definition, makes them not the same.
Unless you think things that are not equal are equal.
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Mitch hasn't refused additional witnesses or evidence, that is to be decided after the 48 hours of opening statements. They have decided that they are not going to change the rules less than 1 day into the proceedings. Again, same format as the Clinton trial. Opening statements then votes on witnesses/evidence.

Mitch stated from the jump he would follow the same basic pattern of the Clinton trial so Nancy absolutely knew. Your blind spot is showing.
 
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evillawyer said:
Suppose a prosecutor really wants to get a person for something. Now suppose that person just happens to commit a double murder. Does that person get a get out of jail card because the prosecutor was looking for something to get the guy on?
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If the prosecutor lost out on a job the other guy won and has stated from that day that he is out to get him and has failed on multiple accusations....at some point people will question his motivations, honesty, and whether there is any claim to his accusations anymore.

Did the person really commit a double murder, or is this just another trumped up charge to get him out of that job that the prosecutor said was his goal?
 
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37L1 said:
It bothers me too. But the political suicide it would entail when entitlements are cut means it ain't going to happen until it's the wolf at the door, or in the kitchen.
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But something needs to give. Since we're here anyways it's why I think the idea of UBI is intriguing. Studies have shown that it would decrease costs while offering similar benefits. But it would take actual work and change which is not something our system is set up to do
 
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0nelilreb said:
Yes as a matter of fact I did and accepted the fact that your party impeached just because they could by holding the majority vote ... now can you guess what is about to happen in the Senate ? I know you can .
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Yes, the same as I've stated multiple times, the GOP will try to conceal evidence and not remove Trump. You and the rest of the Redhats know you're arguing a position that literally no one is taking, right? If they took a poll and asked "Do you think the Senate will remove the President", it would probably be 100% no.
 
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utvolpj said:
But something needs to give. Since we're here anyways it's why I think the idea of UBI is intriguing. Studies have shown that it would decrease costs while offering similar benefits. But it would take actual work and change which is not something our system is set up to do
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I don't know if that is an option for a fix. A Universal Basic Income just seems so unacceptable and socialistic to how I was brought up and what I believe in. I'm positive I am not alone in that either. Maybe a few generations have to die off or Sanders/Yang get elected before that can be considered as a serious/acceptable proposal in this country.
 
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luthervol said:
It has absolutely nothing to do with Trump's guilt or innocence at this point to the red hatters. I think 90% of them know that Trump is guilty. Trump has manipulated them completely into only focusing on the us vs. them game.
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It's become a tribal game. They want their guy to win, full stop. Just like alabubba could care less if Saban is juicing his athletes and paying off the refs.
 
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utvolpj said:
But something needs to give. Since we're here anyways it's why I think the idea of UBI is intriguing. Studies have shown that it would decrease costs while offering similar benefits. But it would take actual work and change which is not something our system is set up to do
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Ben Franklin was a brilliant man that we should still listen to.

When the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic.
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Mick said:
Yes, the same as I've stated multiple times, the GOP will try to conceal evidence and not remove Trump. You and the rest of the Redhats know you're arguing a position that literally no one is taking, right? If they took a poll and asked "Do you think the Senate will remove the President", it would probably be 100% no.
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Ok you are saying we argue from a position that we already know the outcome to , and then you are complaining that the GOP is and going to do what you already knew was going to happen ? So really it’s just B!tching for the sake of B!tching . Got it , thanks for clearing that up for me .
 
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hog88 said:
Ben Franklin was a brilliant man that we should still listen to.
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when I started reading biographies on all presidents I actually made an exception and included his in the early stages. His name was so integral in everything that it was hard to avoid
 
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evillawyer said:
It's become a tribal game. They want their guy to win, full stop. Just like alabubba could care less if Saban is juicing his athletes and paying off the refs.
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First off, he did win. And your guys didn't want him in the sand box, so they have been bullying him for over 3 years running.

Second, we just don't like Pelosi, Schiff, and the rest of the gang and the crap they've been chasing and trying to pawn off on America, and have done absolutely nothing for America by being alive, except convince us they are not worth listening to the things that come out of their mouths. My support for Trump fails in comparison to my disdain for them and their falsehoods. Therefore, Trump still wins by default. Take how Luther feels about Trump. Triple it. That is how we view and feel about the entire left and their agenda, both for Trump and everything else they shovel.
 
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Mick said:
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Adam Schift said so on the floor of the Senate
 
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