To Protect and to Serve II

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NurseGoodVol said:
The reason I asked about justifiable is because that offered number is often used and not understood.
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you know a shooting is NOT justifiable if there is a conviction on the officer, i.e. Walter Scott case where it was 100% a non-justified shooting....But 98% of police shootings are justified and legal...
 
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Hoosier_Vol said:
Yep and everyone has been a poor innocent black male walking down the street minding their own business.
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That is often, I'm preaching to the choir here, not the case. When you start getting details, it becomes a great deal clearer. Social media has been a boon of misinformation on this.
 
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Septic said:
Woman who Accused 2 Cops of Rape Dies after Falling from Sheriff's Moving SUV

Nothing sketchy about this at all.

I mean, who amongst us isn't capable of removing police handcuffs, belly chain and ankle restraints and throw ourselves from an occupied and unlocked cruiser.
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maybe you should read the actual story details and look at this woman's past history as well as she's claiming a female deputy sodomized her when cameras show otherwise, and I'd wait until the investigation is complete before you make wild accusations.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
maybe you should read the actual story details and look at this woman's past history as well as she's claiming a female deputy sodomized her when cameras show otherwise, and I'd wait until the investigation is complete before you make wild accusations.
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What accusations did I make, I just said it's sketchy.

Do a lot of your perps wiggle out of cuffs, belly and ankle restraints and fling them out of your patrol car? Is this normal?
 
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Septic said:
What accusations did I make, I just said it's sketchy.

Do a lot of your perps wiggle out of cuffs, belly and ankle restraints and fling them out of your patrol car? Is this normal?
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Suspects wiggle out of cuffs or attempt to all the time, and i've had some try to flee from moving cruiser..look at the actual facts here.

- suspect with long history of mental illness and criminal acts is arrested
- while at jail she claims a female officer sodomizes her (even though camera footage shows otherwise)
- she later changes her story and also adds the male arresting officer raped her (no evidence of such)
- the sheriff does the right thing and investigates thru 3rd party/internal affairs investigation even though claim is suspect
- Sheriff and jailer (different ones) escort suspect to "advocacy center" for rape kit and get S.A.N.E. test
- Advocacy center tells deputies to take her to hospital for a more thorough exam, deputies comply
- While in bathroom at advocacy center (and she's by herself there) prisoner steals a bottle of shower gel and hides it on her person
- While placing prisoner in transport, officers loosen her shackles at her request because they "hurt and make her legs sore"
- Prisoner uses gel and loose shackles to get her hands and legs free
- Prisoner opens the door (either it was broken or left unlock by mistake) and tries to flee the vehicle during motion
- Belly chain causes her to fall out head first and she hits her head on the pavement
- She dies due to head injury and stupidity

Pretty clear case what happened....now if you want to say the transporting deputies were negligent by loosening her cuffs, or leaving her alone in bathroom at the center, or by not having a door that locks properly, i am sure there will be some civil liability there depending on their policies/procedures.

If you believe this was a murder to cover up 2 rapes, well use Occam's Razor
 
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Septic said:
What accusations did I make, I just said it's sketchy.

Do a lot of your perps wiggle out of cuffs, belly and ankle restraints and fling them out of your patrol car? Is this normal?
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He will defend the brotherhood no matter how damning the evidence is. I was under the assumption that back seat patrol car doors couldn't be opened from the inside, but when the person riding back there can remove handcuffs and fling themselves from a car apparently miracles happen.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Suspects wiggle out of cuffs or attempt to all the time, and i've had some try to flee from moving cruiser..look at the actual facts here.

- suspect with long history of mental illness and criminal acts is arrested
- while at jail she claims a female officer sodomizes her (even though camera footage shows otherwise)
- she later changes her story and also adds the male arresting officer raped her (no evidence of such)
- the sheriff does the right thing and investigates thru 3rd party/internal affairs investigation even though claim is suspect
- Sheriff and jailer (different ones) escort suspect to "advocacy center" for rape kit and get S.A.N.E. test
- Advocacy center tells deputies to take her to hospital for a more thorough exam, deputies comply
- While in bathroom at advocacy center (and she's by herself there) prisoner steals a bottle of shower gel and hides it on her person
- While placing prisoner in transport, officers loosen her shackles at her request because they "hurt and make her legs sore"
- Prisoner uses gel and loose shackles to get her hands and legs free
- Prisoner opens the door (either it was broken or left unlock by mistake) and tries to flee the vehicle during motion
- Belly chain causes her to fall out head first and she hits her head on the pavement
- She dies due to head injury and stupidity

Pretty clear case what happened....now if you want to say the transporting deputies were negligent by loosening her cuffs, or leaving her alone in bathroom at the center, or by not having a door that locks properly, i am sure there will be some civil liability there depending on their policies/procedures.

If you believe this was a murder to cover up 2 rapes, well use Occam's Razor
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Or she's shoved from the vehicle by a dirty cop.


My explanation is far simpler and doesn't require the use of lube.
 
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VolStrom said:
He will defend the brotherhood no matter how damning the evidence is. I was under the assumption that back seat patrol car doors couldn't be opened from the inside, but when the person riding back there can remove handcuffs and fling themselves from a car apparently miracles happen.
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not at all....show me evidence that an officer did something wrong and i'll 100% call them out on it...just like the Walter Scott case...officers who really DO break the law or violate policies bring shame to their profession, and i'll always call wrongdoing out.

The problem is that cop haters often overlook a few things to damn all officers:
- lack of knowledge about actual laws
- lack of knowledge about police procedures/policies
- or the simplest explanation of why incidents occur

if you believe that two random officers decided to publicly attempt a messy murder of a simple minded mentally ill thief by throwing her out of a vehicle (which has the distinct possibility of not killing her) AFTER they were escorting her from testing which would disprove her ridiculous claims, AND the witnesses from the roadway who were interviewed all were either mistaken or intimidated AND the officers covered up the SANE test by contaminating it after the liberal advocacy center helped them cover it up, AND doctored the video evidence at the jail and on the arresting officer's body cam, AND stole a tube of shower gel from the women's bathroom at the advocacy center to plant in the back seat.

You are right, that makes MUCH more sense than reality, which is criminals make up stories and attempt to escape a LOT, and sometimes officers let their guard down when they shouldn't because they are human
 
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Findings now under review after TBI probe of Collegedale Police Department's alleged traffic ticket quota system

Based on [his] discussion with Chief [Brian] Hickman, and at his direction," Heath goes on to list a six-point plan to improve officer performance. Two of those points stated that officers were required to "stop vehicles at any time, whether the violation is big or small" and to "not issue Verbal Warnings, and to issue Written Warnings as a minimum."

In a response to the entry, then-Lt. Darrell Hannah wrote, "I have made it clear several times myself that verbal warnings do nothing for our yearly stats."

He ends his response by saying, "If productivity remains low let me know and we can we can [sic] work on a strategy that will include the documentation on the employees yearly evaluation along with a recommendation of not receiving the yearly step raise."

By December 2018, the department then began directing officers to meet a minimum number of "enforcement activities" and "patrol activities" each month, the lawsuit states.

Enforcement actions were defined as written citations or arrests, and patrol activities included neighborhood, business and school patrols, according to a statistic sheet posted to a bulletin board in the department's headquarters. But what did not count toward "enforcement activities," according to the lawsuit, were arrests that resulted from 911 calls. For example, if an officer responded to a reported domestic violence incident and made an arrest, that arrest would not count. The arrest would have to stem from a traffic stop.

Officers who reached their set numbers were more likely to be considered for promotions, newer patrol cars or extra training opportunities, the lawsuit states.
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DancingOutlaw said:
Findings now under review after TBI probe of Collegedale Police Department's alleged traffic ticket quota system
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Enforcement actions were defined as written citations or arrests, and patrol activities included neighborhood, business and school patrols, according to a statistic sheet posted to a bulletin board in the department's headquarters. But what did not count toward "enforcement activities," according to the lawsuit, were arrests that resulted from 911 calls. For example, if an officer responded to a reported domestic violence incident and made an arrest, that arrest would not count. The arrest would have to stem from a traffic stop.
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Incentives drive behavior.

Pretty clever, actually.
 
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n_huffhines said:
'It's a Lie, but It's Fun': An Officer's Falsified Report Leads to a Man's Suicide
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About 15 years ago here in Chattanooga there was a guy in a bitter divorce. His wife accused him of rape on their 12 year old step daughter. The police told him they had DNA proof and the child psychologist said he did it. They turned their backs and he left the police station. He called his mother from the woods in Hixson near the old middle school and said he didn’t do anything but wasn’t going to jail as a child rapist then shots himself. turns out they were both lies. No DNA and no Psychiatrist report. and nobody held accountable.

Never believe the police
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
About 15 years ago here in Chattanooga there was a guy in a bitter divorce. His wife accused him of rape on their 12 year old step daughter. The police told him they had DNA proof and the child psychologist said he did it. They turned their backs and he left the police station. He called his mother from the woods in Hixson near the old middle school and said he didn’t do anything but wasn’t going to jail as a child rapist then shots himself. turns out they were both lies. No DNA and no Psychiatrist report. and nobody held accountable.

Never believe the police
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Wtf
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
It’s very sad.
The only reason I know anything about it is because he was a construction guy I used to work with some
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Nothing is worse than a false accusation, and no accusation is worse than that. People play with these things like it's nothing.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
About 15 years ago here in Chattanooga there was a guy in a bitter divorce. His wife accused him of rape on their 12 year old step daughter. The police told him they had DNA proof and the child psychologist said he did it. They turned their backs and he left the police station. He called his mother from the woods in Hixson near the old middle school and said he didn’t do anything but wasn’t going to jail as a child rapist then shots himself. turns out they were both lies. No DNA and no Psychiatrist report. and nobody held accountable.

Never believe the police
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How do you know what the police told him?
 
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