Where I stand on Trump

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#278
BowlBrother85 said:
What none of these stories provide evidence of, but is at the heart of the theory involving Alexandra Chalupa, is that the DNC authorized Chalupa's research or that she worked directly with either Ukraine's government or the Clinton campaign.
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Guess you failed to read the CBS link I provided?
 
#279
#279
vols40 said:
Guess you failed to read the CBS link I provided?
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So what happened with the Clinton campaign and Ukraine?
It wasn't so much the Clinton campaign, per se, but a Democratic operative working with the Democratic National Committee did reach out to the Ukrainian government in an attempt to get damaging information about the Trump campaign.
 
#280
#280
vols40 said:
So what happened with the Clinton campaign and Ukraine?
It wasn't so much the Clinton campaign, per se, but a Democratic operative working with the Democratic National Committee did reach out to the Ukrainian government in an attempt to get damaging information about the Trump campaign.
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Alexandra Chulapa
 
#285
#285
BowlBrother85 said:
You've learned fast from the conservatives here... it's what they say when they have nothing to say, but want to get the last word in anyway. Very child-like.
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Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire
Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton
 
#287
#287
vols40 said:
First paragraph verbatim. Maybe you can read that
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Also, from the article:

"There's little evidence of such a top-down effort by Ukraine. Longtime observers suggest that the rampant corruption, factionalism and economic struggles plaguing the country - not to mention its ongoing strife with Russia - would render it unable to pull off an ambitious covert interference campaign in another country's election."

That really doesn't make the case, that you seem to think it does.
 
#288
#288
BowlBrother85 said:
Also, from the article:

"There's little evidence of such a top-down effort by Ukraine. Longtime observers suggest that the rampant corruption, factionalism and economic struggles plaguing the country - not to mention its ongoing strife with Russia - would render it unable to pull off an ambitious covert interference campaign in another country's election."

That really doesn't make the case, that you seem to think it does.
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What part of scrambling after Trump was elected (against all odds. My word not theirs) escapes you? Are you saying they didn't scramble? Lol
 
#289
#289
vols40 said:
What part of scrambling after Trump was elected (against all odds. My word not theirs) escapes you? Are you saying they didn't scramble? Lol
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I'm saying, that article doesn't make a case for significant Ukrainian interference into the 2016 US election (by it's own admission) ... and you are cherry-picking it.
 
#290
#290
The part where Poreshenko (correct if spelling is wrong because that is very important) said Ukraine remained neutral? Once again he only received 30 or so percent of the vote. But hey if that's who you want to ride with. Lol. Man this is easy.
 
#295
#295
BowlBrother85 said:
It probably depends on which polls you are talking about and in this case, it would also depend on which head to head candidate you were talking about from the Democratic Party, but.... I just checked Real Clear Politics and Joe Biden leads Donald Trump head to head in every current poll they are showing in both Michigan and Wisconsin... I couldn't find anything current for Pennsylvania. I'm sure you can find some poll such as Rasmussen Reports that is saying what you want it to say... but I just go with what is on Real Clear Politics.
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Just How Badly Did the Pollsters Botch the Election? The Final Polls vs. the Final Results
 
#297
#297
vols40 said:
Some real numbers during 2016 election with RCP projections
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This reminds me of Trump, himself... polls are all just "fake news" when they are saying something unfavorable, but he tweets them if they are in any way positive.

This has been discussed a lot... I will just say that polls and statisticians such as Nate Silver of FiveThirtyEight will be right, far more than they will be wrong. You can point to one presidential election where they were off... I can point to the previous two where Silver nailed 98 out of 100 states. I will always prefer that the polls show my preferred candidate with a lead, rather than losing.
 
#298
#298
BowlBrother85 said:
This reminds me of Trump, himself... polls are all just "fake news" when they are saying something unfavorable, but he tweets them if they are in any way positive.

This has been discussed a lot... I will just say that polls and statisticians such as Nate Silver of FiveThirtyEight will be right, far more than they will be wrong. You can point to one presidential election where they were off... I can point to the previous two where Silver nailed 98 out of 100 states. I will always prefer that the polls show my preferred candidate with a lead, rather than losing.
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Just felt it was worth mentioning that you cited RCP as the one to watch.
 
#299
#299
BowlBrother85 said:
I'm saying, that article doesn't make a case for significant Ukrainian interference into the 2016 US election (by it's own admission) ... and you are cherry-picking it.
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operative word.

I'd argue that Russian interference wasn't significant either. We as a country do it better in other countries elections.
 
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