Where I stand on Trump

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#228
vols40 said:
Maybe you right the Senate should call Alexander Chalupa? Would Nancy and Chuck be ok with that?
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For one thing, the name is Alexandra Chalupa, so it appears that just like luther, you don't have a clue either (even about the sex of the person, in question).

There was a former political officer in the Ukrainian embassy who told Rudy Giuliani that Chalupa asked him to dig up dirt on Paul Manafort in 2016 and claimed that there was direct coordination between the Ukrainian government and the Democratic Party. However, Chalupa (who has said she wanted to testify) has said that the whole story originated with the Kremlin as part of a disinformation campaign to shift the blame for meddling into the 2016 election campaign from Russia to the Ukraine. There has never been any evidence provided in support of what is essentially, another conspiracy theory. The reason she wasn't called, is because it wasn't relevant to the question of why military aid to the Ukraine was withheld, and whether or not it was being used as leverage for a political campaign favor. It was an attempt by Republicans (Devin Nunes, mostly) to change the subject. There is also no evidence that there is anything more to it, outside of it being a talking point of Russian propaganda in their disinformation campaign.

If you would believe the Alexandra Chalupa theory, then you also probably believe the "CrowdStrike theory" too. They came from the same place.
 
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#229
vols40 said:
Nor the withholding of US aid for the opening of an investigation.
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But we know the aid was withheld and we also know there isn't an investigation. There were two mentions of biden and 6 about investigations. Who you trying to convince?
 
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#230
BowlBrother85 said:
For one thing, the name is Alexandra Chalupa, so it appears that just like luther, you don't have a clue either (even about the sex of the person, in question).

There was a former political officer in the Ukrainian embassy who told Rudy Giuliani that Chalupa asked him to dig up dirt on Paul Manafort in 2016 and claimed that there was direct coordination between the Ukrainian government and the Democratic Party. However, Chalupa (who has said she wanted to testify) has said that the whole story originated with the Kremlin as part of a disinformation campaign to shift the blame for meddling into the 2016 election campaign from Russia to the Ukraine. There has never been any evidence provided in support of what is essentially, another conspiracy theory. The reason she wasn't called, is because it wasn't relevant to the question of why military aid to the Ukraine was withheld, and whether or not it was being used as leverage for a political campaign favor. It was an attempt by Republicans (Devin Nunes, mostly) to change the subject. There is also no evidence that there is anything more to it, outside of it being a talking point of Russian propaganda in their disinformation campaign.

If you would believe the Alexandra Chalupa theory, then you also probably believe the "CrowdStrike theory" too. They came from the same place.
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You got me. I misspelled her name. This is the smoking gun. LMAO once again attack the messenger. But I see that you forgot to mention that she was paid over 412K by Democrats for part time "consulting" I will not speak for Luther but I can read just fine. She wanted to testify that she investigated Manafort on her own. 😉😉
 
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#231
vols40 said:
This "Bureau" that was started in 2014? Under the Administration who lost their election at a clip of nearly 70%? Is this the Bureau your speaking of?
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That is when it was founded, after it's predecessor was considered to be a failure. Yes, that is the bureau I'm speaking of.
 
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#232
Mick said:
But we know the aid was withheld and we also know there isn't an investigation. There were two mentions of biden and 6 about investigations. Who you trying to convince?
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Bidens in regards to possible corruption. You do realize that Biden was appointed by Obama as the point man on Ukraine before Old Hunter landed that spot on the board of Burisma. The fact that Joe is running for president matters not.
 
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#233
vols40 said:
You got me. I misspelled her name. This is the smoking gun. LMAO once again attack the messenger. But I see that you forgot to mention that she was paid over 412K by Democrats for part time "consulting" I will not speak for Luther but I can read just fine. She wanted to testify that she investigated Manafort on her own. 😉😉
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It's from a Russian disinformation campaign, just like the infamous "CrowdStrike Theory", which has been de-bunked all over the internet (but Trump still believes anyway - Read the transcript if you doubt that). It's Russian propaganda to shift blame for meddling into the 2016 US election campaign from them to the Ukraine. Trump has been all too eager to help them reach this end.
 
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#234
BowlBrother85 said:
That is when it was founded, after it's predecessor was considered to be a failure. Yes, that is the bureau I'm speaking of.
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And by the guy whose opponent got 70% of the vote. The guy who is on video saying there was no pressure to open an investigation? But surely the guy who was on the call is probably lying.
 
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#235
BowlBrother85 said:
It's from a Russian disinformation campaign, just like the infamous "CrowdStrike Theory", which has been de-bunked all over the internet (but Trump still believes anyway - Read the transcript if you doubt that). It's Russian propaganda to shift blame for meddling into the 2016 US election campaign from them to the Ukraine. Trump has been all too eager to help them reach this end.
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Lol. Russian disinformation.... 412K for part time work.
 
#236
#236
BowlBrother85 said:
It's from a Russian disinformation campaign, just like the infamous "CrowdStrike Theory", which has been de-bunked all over the internet (but Trump still believes anyway - Read the transcript if you doubt that). It's Russian propaganda to shift blame for meddling into the 2016 US election campaign from them to the Ukraine. Trump has been all too eager to help them reach this end.
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If the internet says it's true.....
 
#237
#237
BowlBrother85 said:
It's from a Russian disinformation campaign, just like the infamous "CrowdStrike Theory", which has been de-bunked all over the internet (but Trump still believes anyway - Read the transcript if you doubt that). It's Russian propaganda to shift blame for meddling into the 2016 US election campaign from them to the Ukraine. Trump has been all too eager to help them reach this end.
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Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election — that’s a fact, not a conspiracy theory
 
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#238
vols40 said:
Bidens in regards to possible corruption. You do realize that Biden was appointed by Obama as the point man on Ukraine before Old Hunter landed that spot on the board of Burisma. The fact that Joe is running for president matters not.
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So you are fine with investigating a Presidential Candidate off of unverified rumors? Please explain in further details.
 
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#240
Mick said:
So you are fine with investigating a Presidential Candidate off of unverified rumors? Please explain in further details.
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That's exactly what Mueller and the 12 anti Trump lawyers spent nearly 40 large and 3 years doing. Maybe you forgot that Mueller said no collusion.
 
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#242
Mick said:
So you are fine with investigating a Presidential Candidate off of unverified rumors? Please explain in further details.
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You are fine with a slug with a drug habit, thrown out of the military with zero experience in natural gas and no previous experience in Ukraine riding his dad's office to a job that paid him millions? Please explain in specifics.
 
#243
#243
Mick said:
He didn't say that.
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Maybe you can explain what Mueller's testimony to Congress said because anyone who watched that felt sorry for the guy. You could tell that wasn't his words. If they were then Bob is very ill.
 
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#246
vols40 said:
Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election — that’s a fact, not a conspiracy theory
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Let me put this in the words of "mediabiasfactcheck.com"

Washington Examiner:

Right Bias: (Included) These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage conservative causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy.

* Overall, we rate the Washington Examiner Right Biased based on editorial positions that almost exclusively favor the right and Mixed for factual reporting due to several failed fact checks.
 
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#248
BowlBrother85 said:
Let me put this in the words of "mediabiasfactcheck.com"

Washington Examiner:

Right Bias: (Included) These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage conservative causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy.

* Overall, we rate the Washington Examiner Right Biased based on editorial positions that almost exclusively favor the right and Mixed for factual reporting due to several failed fact checks.
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Man it's difficult to be this right all the time.
 
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