What underrated recruit (3-star or lower) has CJP recruited and developed that has given everyone this idea he is a great talent evaluator?

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joevol33 said:
Didn't the Superbowl a few years ago, i think NE vs Seattle, have nothing but 2-3 stars on the roster? Seems like I remember seeing that. Nothing to do with your post, it just reminded me😄
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Yes , one of the recent NE Super Bowls consisted of 60-70% 3 stars in the starting lineups for both teams. It confirms that coaching and organization has more value than the individual talents of each player.
 
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05_never_again said:
I think what he did with the defensive line this year is promising. None of those guys, with the exception of Aubrey Solomon, were exceptionally highly-recruited. Getting a solid year out of someone like Darrel Middleton, a 3-star JUCO transfer, is something that Butch was very infrequently able to do.
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Basically this. There were a number of groups who looked better when they started playing as a team instead of trying to make every play themselves. Does that make any of the individual players a high draft pick now? No. It also meant that we didn't end the year with seemingly every team being able to run draws for 200+ yds against us.
Only player I am concerned about at this point is Taylor. I thought he was going to be a shutdown Corner, but he got burned far too often this past year. I do think he bounces back next year, but he was definitely outshone this past year when I expected him to be the star of the DBs.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
Yes , one of the recent NE Super Bowls consisted of 60-70% 3 stars in the starting lineups for both teams. It confirms that coaching and organization has more value than the individual talents if each player.
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Pretty sure having the most stars is how you win it all. Like Cleveland this year. They are dominating, right? Right?.....
 
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AustinMem said:
Basically this. There were a number of groups who looked better when they started playing as a team instead of trying to make every play themselves. Does that make any of the individual players a high draft pick now? No. It also meant that we didn't end the year with seemingly every team being able to run draws for 200+ yds against us.
Only player I am concerned about at this point is Taylor. I thought he was going to be a shutdown Corner, but he got burned far too often this past year. I do think he bounces back next year, but he was definitely outshone this past year when I expected him to be the star of the DBs.
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Was definitely surprised at Alontae's regression this year, although a guy like Warrior regressed before improving as well. Taylor needs to have a big year next year.
 
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05_never_again said:
I think what he did with the defensive line this year is promising. None of those guys, with the exception of Aubrey Solomon, were exceptionally highly-recruited. Getting a solid year out of someone like Darrel Middleton, a 3-star JUCO transfer, is something that Butch was very infrequently able to do.
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Greg Emerson was a 4 star, and per 247 he had offers from Alabama, Clemson and Georgia. He showed a lot of promise as the season progressed.
 
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Pruitt has never actually had to build/recruit an elite(Top-10) defense, (he's coached a plenty elite D's from inherited talent), but all metrics seem to indicate he's well on his way.
How Much Talent Will Pruitt Need for a Top-10 Defense?

Basically at all Pruitt's stops, he's been able to field elite D's with seven or eight 4/5* recruits in his starting line-up. The other 3/4 being 3*'s and even with a 2*recruit in the starting lineup once if I recall accurately.

Another interesting aspect is that previously having fielded all those Top-10 D's, he's never had to utilize more than 2-3 of his own recruits(ala, Redshirt or True Freshman) his 1st two years as Defensive Coordinator, while fielding those Top-10 D's.

So while having to utilize more underclassmen in his starting defense than he has ever had to before, Pruitt is still markedly improving our defense


I posted this a while ago in another thread. It hits on allot of the points OP is asking.
 
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If you expect 3-stars to be good starters day 1 in the best conference in America, then you will be disappointed. If you expect them to be solid players as juniors and seniors and solid role players and special teams guys before that, that’s more realistic. Pruitt’s first, hastily assembled 2018 class are juniors in 2020, for perspective.That being said, refer back to @jwilliams post.
 
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Bigun said:
Played what game? I'm asking what recruits, under the radar recruits he has developed.

As far as Coach Buttfront goes it is possible to say I hate UGA and I also realize they are dominating the East by a mile and both be true. Kirby needs to move on to the NFL or somewhere else. That would help us tremendously.
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Tell me what Nigel Warrior did prior to this year?
 
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As has been pointed out, many times, those handing out the rankings to HS players are terrible at their jobs. Most don't know what they are doing, and are just going by what others have done. For example, if BAMA offers a guy a Scholarship-he moves way up, maybe a four or a five star, right then and there. They are not actually evaluating the players based on play and talent, but rather who is recruiting them. This must be true, as it is pointed out all the time with little or no argument, it stands to reason there are plenty of "5 star" players that are never even ranked-maybe they came from small rural county HSs-their coaches didn't have the right contacts, nobody took/kept videos etc. of their play. So, based on who is handing out the rankings- and it is not CJP-who cares?
 
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Pretty small sample size while at UT, so it’s really kind of a loaded question. He has made reference in the past of practice squad players becoming starters and excelling, so I’ll take his word for it. As far as developing players while at UT it seems that Latrell Bumphus, Alontae Taylor, and Quavaris Crouch are Kurrot Garland seem to be benefitting from his coaching. I don’t know or care who you root for, but If you ain’t a VOL, you ain’t squat.
 
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Bigun said:
All of the Freshman AA's were 4 and 5 star's.
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Are you going to shift the rules of the thread if it doesn't point to the answer you seem to want?

Banks got in trouble but was on the field as a Fr. Shrout started a game. Maurer started 4. J Johnson has been solidly in the OL rotation. Flowers and Garland have had some nice moments. Tillman appears to be developing well. George earned his way onto the field. That was in his first class which is always disadvantaged... and all should still be in development.

Burrell was a starter before getting injured. Middleton is pretty solid. Chris A got PT on the OL as a Fr... not easy to do.


OR... is your argument that player evals aren't correct unless they become freshman AA's?
 
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Bigun said:
Played what game? I'm asking what recruits, under the radar recruits he has developed.

As far as Coach Buttfront goes it is possible to say I hate UGA and I also realize they are dominating the East by a mile and both be true. Kirby needs to move on to the NFL or somewhere else. That would help us tremendously.
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It's too early to tell. Most of the guys that would fit this category just finished a rs season. I would say 95% of 3star players who were under recruited needed a rs year and at least 2yrs of spring practices. This is the 3rd offseason for his 1st class so i think u should have answers to this question next offseason.
 
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NeverWe'llSever said:
If you expect 3-stars to be good starters day 1 in the best conference in America, then you will be disappointed. If you expect them to be solid players as juniors and seniors and solid role players and special teams guys before that, that’s more realistic. Pruitt’s first, hastily assembled 2018 class are juniors in 2020, for perspective.That being said, refer back to @jwilliams post.
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Correct. It’s not about the 3*s contributing day ONE. Dominant teams (who aren’t stacked with Bama/LSU/GA talent) are built by being OLD and well coached. I’d rather have a coached up 4/3* senior than a 5* frosh...in that particular year. That was the problem with Butch. He couldn’t keep the talent he signed...either by injury or defection.
 
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It seems as if we are always talking about next season (there is always a next season), but with that said, year three will tell us what kind of coach we have. I know there are a lot of posters that have coach crush transference-they've gone from having an unnatural crush on boy butch to CJP. CJP maybe the coach we've been looking for (for a very long time). I'm of the let's see how he does in his third season group, I don't need to wait for season 8 or 9, or as some have pulled for, season 10. As of now, he looks as if he is the best coach we've had even before our UT seniors were in HS! I'll base 100% of my opinion on how well we do in the SEC, and just as a reminder to those who have forgotten, we are an SEC team. If CJP is the coach many seem to think he is, he'll have coached up all of our players to the point we start kicking some butt in the SEC-even boy butch won powder-puff games....
 
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Which OP persona trolls the most under various screen names but is actually an old guy living in his mother's basement and is far removed from being a UT fan?
 
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if we’re looking at Tennessee players it’s a little too early to tell...
 
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Sarms58 said:
if we’re looking at Tennessee players it’s a little too early to tell...
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I agree, I'm waiting until year three. As for the OP';s question, it is a bit of a Red Herring, as the last time I checked, Football was a team sport. The question shouldn't be which 3 star CJP as coached up, but rather how has he done with the TEAM. I'm far more interested in having the entire team playing better (as seen in the SEC) rather than having one "super star" that leaves early for the draft.
 
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IMO, stars are very important.

The good coaches (Saban, Orgeron, Dabo) are able to take the potential in the 4/5* and develop that into results.

They also take the 3 * and coach them up to playing like 4 *.

Its a whole lot easier for the good coaches to field great teams when they are loaded with star players because they know what to do with them. They don't usually fall victim to the excuse (overrated).
UT coaches in the past had 5*s that didn't pan out mainly because they didn't know how to coach them.

I'm hoping coach Pruitt has learned how to coach them by working for the best. We will soon see (next 2 seasons).
 
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orangemadam said:
IMO, stars are very important.

The good coaches (Saban, Orgeron, Dabo) are able to take the potential in the 4/5* and develop that into results.

They also take the 3 * and coach them up to playing like 4 *.

Its a whole lot easier for the good coaches to field great teams when they are loaded with star players because they know what to do with them. They don't usually fall victim to the excuse (overrated).
UT coaches in the past had 5*s that didn't pan out mainly because they didn't know how to coach them.

I'm hoping coach Pruitt has learned how to coach them by working for the best. We will soon see (next 2 seasons).
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Next season should be telling.
 
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howie87 said:
Because stars are typically skewed towards raw athletic ability... The NFL is not made up of the top gym freaks or super athletes, it's made up of people that know how to work within a system and and play football... That is the superior aspect of the NFL...
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Stars are based almost solely on reputation and who is recruiting a player. None of the recruiting services directly evaluate talent and they don’t have the ability even if they wanted to.
 
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