Gun control debate (merged)

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hog88 said:
Come on Luther, sorry Mick. You made the statements above so please tell us what Dem proposal would have stopped him from buying the gun.
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I never said that the dems have proposed legislation specific to the visa and hunting license loophole. I was unaware of the loophole until lilreb pointed out that is how he got it.
 
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LouderVol said:
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserves neither Liberty or Safety. - BF.
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It's not essential for my constitutional liberties to let a non citizen purchase a gun. Is it imperative to your liberties to allow it? You're using BF's quote to try to justify stupidity.
 
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Mick said:
I never said that the dems have proposed legislation specific to the visa and hunting license loophole. I was unaware of the loophole until lilreb pointed out that is how he got it.
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Then what was the purpose of your rant? If Dems are not and have not proposed anything that would have prevented him from buying a gun how did 2A gun nuts and Republicans stop them?

Also since you have advocated that legal residents that are not citizens be barred from purchasing firearms what other constitutional rights/protections should we keep from them? What about illegal US residents?
 
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hog88 said:
Then what was the purpose of your rant? If Dems are not and have not proposed anything that would have prevented him from buying a gun how did 2A gun nuts and Republicans stop them?

Also since you have advocated that legal residents that are not citizens be barred from purchasing firearms what other constitutional rights/protections should we keep from them? What about illegal US residents?
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I'm saying this MFer shouldn't have had a gun, What are you saying Hog, he should have?
 
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Mick said:
I'm saying this MFer shouldn't have had a gun, What are you saying Hog, he should have?
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Per the law he was qualified to buy one and I have no problem with him or any other qualified non-citizen doing so.

The issue is Saudi Arabia, his fellow classmates had to know what he was planning to do and were either in on it or failed to report. We should be talking about expelling all Saudis we're training, maybe even banning travel to the US by all Saudis and possibly sanctioning their exports of oil. NOT how we can use this to further restrict or trouble law abiding citizens from exercising their constitutional rights.
 
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Mick said:
I never said that the dems have proposed legislation specific to the visa and hunting license loophole. I was unaware of the loophole until lilreb pointed out that is how he got it.
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That would be a law , not a loophole . This allows a non US citizen ( such as little Suszie the dreamers mom and dad ) the right to hunt and fish for the 20 years they’ve lived here . I would also argue that it’s not a problem or you would have heard about a bunch of illegals going it . A one time thing does not a problem make .
 
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hog88 said:
Per the law he was qualified to buy one and I have no problem with him or any other qualified non-citizen doing so.

The issue is Saudi Arabia, his fellow classmates had to know what he was planning to do and were either in on it or failed to report. We should be talking about expelling all Saudis we're training, maybe even banning travel to the US by all Saudis and possibly sanctioning their exports of oil. NOT how we can use this to further restrict or trouble law abiding citizens from exercising their constitutional rights.
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I'm not wasting any more time on this issue hog. Just answer the question and move on. Should the SA shooter been able to legally purchase a gun?
 
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0nelilreb said:
That would be a law , not a loophole . This allows a non US citizen ( such as little Suszie the dreamers mom and dad ) the right to hunt and fish for the 20 years they’ve lived here . I would also argue that it’s not a problem or you would have heard about a bunch of illegals going it . A one time thing does not a problem make .
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If the law allows it, it's a loophole. The word is out, go get a hunting license if you have a visa.
 
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Mick said:
If the law allows it, it's a loophole. The word is out, go get a hunting license if you have a visa.
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The word has been out you quack . You don’t think they enacted that law the day before he did it , and ran down to the gun shop to pick him up a six shooter before all of the rest of the terrorist got one , do you ? Smh
 
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hog88 said:
Per the law he was qualified to buy one and I have no problem with him or any other qualified non-citizen doing so.

The issue is Saudi Arabia, his fellow classmates had to know what he was planning to do and were either in on it or failed to report. We should be talking about expelling all Saudis we're training, maybe even banning travel to the US by all Saudis and possibly sanctioning their exports of oil. NOT how we can use this to further restrict or trouble law abiding citizens from exercising their constitutional rights.
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Your last sentence is on point and my point to Mick.

We dont need another Patriot Act.
 
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hog88 said:
There is no such thing a a legal loophole. It's either legal or it's not.
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Loophole - an ambiguity or inadequacy in the law or a set of rules. How are you using the term?

Definitely done now, since I have to explain "loophole" to the 2a nuts.
 
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Mick said:
Loophole - an ambiguity or inadequacy in the law or a set of rules. How are you using the term?

Definitely done now, since I have to explain "loophole" to the 2a nuts.
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Please explain your meaning when you use the word 'nuts' when describing those that value the 2nd Amendment.

This is what is so interesting about the left. I have not seen anyone here that you seem to disdain so much wanting to restrict any of YOUR constitutional rights even though they don't agree with what you say. I don't recall anyone referring to leftists as 1st amendments 'nuts'. While I don't agree with you, it is your right to be heard.
 
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0nelilreb said:
I believe I read in Florida that non US citizen are not allowed to purchase a firearm unless they have a hunting license ( he apparently did have a valid hunting license ) so the background check worked as it was supposed to . He would have also had military clearance so unless something else comes up we haven’t seen yet , he was legally able to purchase the firearm and would have passed any background check . We can pass as many laws as we want to pass and tweak them every day , but we will never be able to legislate the evil in a persons heart . That’s just a cold hard fact .
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While I agree with everything you said, a hunting license shouldn't allow a pass for a .45 pistol.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
While I agree with everything you said, a hunting license shouldn't allow a pass for a .45 pistol.
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While personally I would agree with you , it’s not my caliber of choice for hunting , there are a lot of people who use the .45 ACP , .44 mag , and 454 casull . For Hog hunting in Georgia and Florida . I’ve owed the .454 Casull on a Super Redhawk frame and would have no problems hunting deer or hog with it .
 
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Mick said:
A terrorist got a gun because he had a visa and hunting license. Yes it's a "loophole". There, problem identified. Now you can go several ways: push to change, do nothing, or deny it's a problem.
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No, it's more complicated than that so "loophole" is just an intellectually lazy buzzword in this context. Foreign hunters are a legit commercial business. Obviously the most famous are African safaris but people can either come here to hunt or, if they are into hunting and happen to be here already legally, take up the practice while here. It's legit.

United States hunting trips

They are still bound by firearms laws.

Hunting in the U.S. if from another Country

If I were to concede anything it at least might be proposed that a "hunting specific" qualification for firearm purchase could preclude the purchase of handguns.
 
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