Kirby = Richt 2.0?

[BAMA-DAWG]

Somehwhat relevant? At least the last Vol team to win a national championship is not qualifying for Medicare next year. UGA pretends to be "somewhat relevant" but they never are.

Get real friend. Dawgs are always relevant. When havent they been? UT was staring down 3-9 this year. Dawgs whipped that rear end for ya good. Claimed a moral victory cause you beat the spread vs Bama. Celebrating snapping a 3 game losing streak to Vahn-dy and now you're going bowling. I know it's been a while since you enjoyed any post-season play, but !!News flash!! Bowls don't really mean a whole lot these days what with the CFP and all. Are you suffering from Battered Vol Syndrom too?

 

[BAMA-DAWG]

Yeah, I was 3 years old when Georgia won their only National Championship, and I consider myself an old fart at this point

Really? Well what have you done lately? Maybe that's why her such a bitter old man.

 

[Gatornator]

Get real friend. Dawgs are always relevant. When havent they been? UT was staring down 3-9 this year. Dawgs whipped that rear end for ya good. Claimed a moral victory cause you beat the spread vs Bama. Celebrating snapping a 3 game losing streak to Vahn-dy and now you're going bowling. I know it's been a while since you enjoyed any post-season play, but !!News flash!! Bowls don't really mean a whole lot these days what with the CFP and all. Are you suffering from Battered Vol Syndrom too?

First of all, in case you can't read my nickname like most UGA fans, I'm a Gator, not a Vol fan. Second of all, It should be a rule that no team is considered relevant if their last National Championship was more than three decades ago. Go hang your "SEC East championship" on your flee infested field. McElwain tried to do that and we threw those away as soon as he was fired. No body gives a crap about winning the division. You know who brags about that? Irrelevant teams.

 

[Sub Par SUPERSTAR]

Really? Well what have you done lately? Maybe that's why her such a bitter old man.

LOL, I'm not bitter, but I sure am old, you'd have to be old to be alive when Georgia actually won a big game.

 

[joevol33]

Get real friend. Dawgs are always relevant. When havent they been? UT was staring down 3-9 this year. Dawgs whipped that rear end for ya good. Claimed a moral victory cause you beat the spread vs Bama. Celebrating snapping a 3 game losing streak to Vahn-dy and now you're going bowling. I know it's been a while since you enjoyed any post-season play, but !!News flash!! Bowls don't really mean a whole lot these days what with the CFP and all. Are you suffering from Battered Vol Syndrom too?

Obviously you're a kirby smart bandwagon fan. Georgia wasn't even competitive against Tennessee until Richt. We had a 9 year winning streak when I moved to Georgia. I remember when uga finally won, and started tearing the hedges down in celebration. Recently, yes they're relevant. Other than that, you have Herschel, that's about it.

 

[volfanhill]

It is really crazy to think that with all the talent Georgia has had and some really good teams since 1980 that they haven’t won at least one national title since then.

We have had one since 1967

 

[volfanhill]

LOL, I'm not bitter, but I sure am old, you'd have to be old to be alive when Georgia actually won a big game.

Slow your roll. You are becoming like UGA and us. Been a long time since the gators have won ****. Even longer if you take away the Meyer years. Which let’s face it, outside of the scandals of Paterno and Briles, are the worst in CFB.

 

[Sub Par SUPERSTAR]

Slow your roll. You are becoming like UGA and us. Been a long time since the gators have won ****. Even longer if you take away the Meyer years. Which let’s face it, outside of the scandals of Paterno and Briles, are the worst in CFB.

Hey, at least I was an adult when the Gators and Vols won their titles...I was rockin' the Underoos, not too far removed from diapers, when Georgia won their meaningful game.

 

[BAMA-DAWG]

First of all, I'm a Gator, not a Vol fan. Second of all, It should be a rule that no team is considered relevant if their last National Championship was more than three decades ago. Go hang your "SEC East championship" on your flee infested field. McElwain tried to do that and we threw those away as soon as he was fires. No body gives a crap about winning the division. You know who brags about that? Irrelevant teams.

Well why dont you beat the dawgs, then you can flame away. Irrelevance is not even beating the team that couldnt beat the team that beat the team, er, you know what I mean. I like to glory in my teams accomplishments, meager as they may seem to you. I just don't get the argument by you, or Vol fan, that Dawgs suck, yet your favorite team couldn't beat my favorite team. So if I extrapolate your reasoning, then your team sucks more than my team. It would seem a more rational position would be to say something like, "your team was pretty good this year." "Maybe next year we beat you, then we will have beaten a pretty good team."
But honestly, the constant, "you suck, you suck" because your team lost the last game they played, well it's just been overplayed.
Those're my thoughts on the matter. But feel free to disagree.

 

[BAMA-DAWG]

Obviously you're a kirby smart bandwagon fan. Georgia wasn't even competitive against Tennessee until Richt. We had a 9 year winning streak when I moved to Georgia. I remember when uga finally won, and started tearing the hedges down in celebration. Recently, yes they're relevant. Other than that, you have Herschel, that's about it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah dude. I know. You had a good run in the 90's. But in the Modern Era, UGA is 14-6. And lately you guys dont know whether your playing us or Bama, the results are the same. BTW, all time, the series is close to tied so if you take the 13 you've won to the 14 UGA won since the 90's, it seems as if the two teams have always been about even. I know the facts dont exactly jive with your reality, but it is what it is.

 

[volfanhill]

Well why dont you beat the dawgs, then you can flame away. Irrelevance is not even beating the team that couldnt beat the team that beat the team, er, you know what I mean. I like to glory in my teams accomplishments, meager as they may seem to you. I just don't get the argument by you, or Vol fan, that Dawgs suck, yet your favorite team couldn't beat my favorite team. So if I extrapolate your reasoning, then your team sucks more than my team. It would seem a more rational position would be to say something like, "your team was pretty good this year." "Maybe next year we beat you, then we will have beaten a pretty good team."
But honestly, the constant, "you suck, you suck" because your team lost the last game they played, well it's just been overplayed.
Those're my thoughts on the matter. But feel free to disagree.

Well I will give you my thoughts. Even though you didn’t ask. My whole family went to UGA. I didn’t get in and went to UT. Became a UT fan as a result. UGA fan base is always convinced they are better then they are. Look at how you treated Richt his last 3-4 years. He was on the hot seat. Now you have Smart. Well he’s on par with Richt. Wouldn’t be grumpy if it were me. You all will turn on Smart unless he brings you natty. Same you did to Richt. Yet you have no reason to expect it. Same as us turning on Fulmer. Except he won one.

 

[volfanhill]

Yeah, yeah, yeah dude. I know. You had a good run in the 90's. But in the Modern Era, UGA is 14-6. And lately you guys dont know whether your playing us or Bama, the results are the same. BTW, all time, the series is close to tied so if you take the 13 you've won to the 14 UGA won since the 90's, it seems as if the two teams have always been about even. I know the facts dont exactly jive with your reality, but it is what it is.

Butch beat you. He never beat bama. And how do you call the modern era 20 years?

We are ocean away from bama. We are a creek away from you.

 

[Gatornator]

Well why dont you beat the dawgs, then you can flame away. Irrelevance is not even beating the team that couldnt beat the team that beat the team, er, you know what I mean. I like to glory in my teams accomplishments, meager as they may seem to you. I just don't get the argument by you, or Vol fan, that Dawgs suck, yet your favorite team couldn't beat my favorite team. So if I extrapolate your reasoning, then your team sucks more than my team. It would seem a more rational position would be to say something like, "your team was pretty good this year." "Maybe next year we beat you, then we will have beaten a pretty good team."
But honestly, the constant, "you suck, you suck" because your team lost the last game they played, well it's just been overplayed.
Those're my thoughts on the matter. But feel free to disagree.

You have no clue what we are talking about here it seems. You are neither following my reasoning nor seem to know what reasoning means. No one is talking about the 2019 Georgia, Florida or UT teams specifically. We are talking about the programs in general, and as program, UGA has not been relevant on a national level since before Reagan was president.

 

[BAMA-DAWG]

Well I will give you my thoughts. Even though you didn’t ask. My whole family went to UGA. I didn’t get in and went to UT. Became a UT fan as a result. UGA fan base is always convinced they are better then they are. Look at how you treated Richt his last 3-4 years. He was on the hot seat. Now you have Smart. Well he’s on par with Richt. Wouldn’t be grumpy if it were me. You all will turn on Smart unless he brings you natty. Same you did to Richt. Yet you have no reason to expect it. Same as us turning on Fulmer. Except he won one.

Dude,
UGA fan base is always convinced they are better then they are.
You didnt just find this board last week did you? Have you read some of the posts by your compatriots over the last 10 years? Its comical. To be fair, yes ALL fan bases think they are going 12-0 this year. If you didnt you wouldn't subscribe to message boards, follow HS recruiting, etc.
Became a UT fan
Sorry about that. You cant change the past. Move on. Learn from it.
Look at how you treated Richt his last 3-4 years.
I'm a Mark Richt fan. Loved the guy. Still do. Indeed, he could never win the Natty. But I wasn't calling for his firing. There were Big Donors who wanted to move on from Richt. You guys have a similar dynamic called 'Haslams'.
You all will turn on Smart unless he brings you natty.
I do not know the future. But I know college football fans. Smart may win it all, he may not. Consider this: In the last 50 years only 22 teams have won a share of the (mythical) National Championship. If you throw out the teams that only won it once, you have a pool of 12. A scant 12 teams, over the last 50 years, have won the natty or a share of it 46 times. Your team ain't in the pool, and neither is mine. If winning the natty is the only criterion that determines whether your program is successful or not, then only 12 teams have a chance to be successful any given year. I'll bet you think that your team, relative to the last 4-5 years, had a successful 2019 season. I think mine did too. Sure, the Natty's always the goal, but even that's not a realistic goal, because power brokers behind closed doors determine who's in and who isn't. That's why Kirby, Pruitt, Saban, Farmer Fran, Jimbo, and anybody else trying to win championships starts with the goal of winning their division. That's the only thing they can control. I know I get flamed for saying "Yay! UGA won the East!" But it's dang near impossible to get to the next step in the championship dog and pony if you don't first beat nearly all
the other teams in your division.

 

[BAMA-DAWG]

You have no clue what we are talking about here it seems. You are neither following my reasoning nor seem to know what reasoning means. No one is talking about the 2019 Georgia, Florida or UT teams specifically. We are talking about the programs in general, and as program, UGA has not been relevant on a national level since before Reagan was president.

For my response, please refer to my response to @volfanhill above. And congrats....your team is in the pool.

 

[VAVol85]

Moved to Atlanta in 1992 and for more than 25 years have listened to Dawg fans run their mouths about how next year is the year. In that time they have won 3 SEC championships and 0 NCs.

The other common theme is what great talent they recruit. When Goof was coaching, Spurrier used to like to talk about “all those 5 stars that go to Georgia and are never heard from again”.

In the “make fun of UGA thread” this year, someone summarized it very well - UGA: BAMA mouth / Vandy trophy case.

 

[05_never_again]

Don't know his record vs. Tennessee, but he was 5-10 vs. Florida. So, whether Florida was down or not, he struggled against the Gators.

Personally, I think he's better than Richt and his teams are better than Richt's teams. I never thought Georgia was a hurdle Florida had to overcome while he was there. Georgia is definitely a problem right now.

Richt was actually great against Tennessee (12-6), but it seemed like every time they lost to us it was a game they shouldn't have lost. Lost in Athens as #3 in the country to a #17 Tennessee team in 2004. Lost at home again as a favorite in 2006. Lost in Knoxville to an unranked Tennessee team in 2007 as the #12 team in the country. Kiffin drubbed them in 2009 as an underdog. Blew a huge lead to an unranked Tennessee team in 2015 as the #19 team.

The hallmark of Georgia is that when they lose, they're almost always real nut kick losses. Not the kinds of losses where you can look back and say you left everything on the field, no regrets, etc. They lose as a big favorite, or get blown out in a game that it evenly matched, or have the game turn because of some bonehead coaching decision, or something otherwise really painful happens. The 2012 SEC title game is the only exception I can think of offhand.

 

[05_never_again]

Moved to Atlanta in 1992 and for more than 25 years have listened to Dawg fans run their mouths about how next year is the year. In that time they have won 3 SEC championships and 0 NCs.

The other common theme is what great talent they recruit. When Goof was coaching, Spurrier used to like to talk about “all those 5 stars that go to Georgia and are never heard from again”.

In the “make fun of UGA thread” this year, someone summarized it very well - UGA: BAMA mouth / Vandy trophy case.

If Saban went to Georgia instead of Alabama in 2007, he might have won 6 or 7 national titles there. If any program in the country has the perfect "template" for creating a juggernaut, it's Georgia. Everything, I mean absolutely everything, is set up perfectly for them to be an incredibly dominant program. They just have to go take it, which they aren't able to do for some reason.

Since 1980, Georgia should have at least 3 or 4 titles. You can make an argument for many more, but that's being conservative. Dooley could/should have had 2 more in 1981 and 1982, and Richt could have had at least 2. Pick your year...2002, 2007, 2008, 2012.

 

[Sub Par SUPERSTAR]

If Saban went to Georgia instead of Alabama in 2007, he might have won 6 or 7 national titles there. If any program in the country has the perfect "template" for creating a juggernaut, it's Georgia. Everything, I mean absolutely everything, is set up perfectly for them to be an incredibly dominant program. They just have to go take it, which they aren't able to do for some reason.

Since 1980, Georgia should have at least 3 or 4 titles. You can make an argument for many more, but that's being conservative. Dooley could/should have had 2 more in 1981 and 1982, and Richt could have had at least 2. Pick your year...2002, 2007, 2008, 2012.

We were the best team in the country, hands down, and no one was gonna beat us after the Ole Miss wake up call...But the rest of those are totally fair, Georgia has a history of choking away opportunities, it's in their DNA or something.

 

[05_never_again]

We were the best team in the country, hands down, and no one was gonna beat us after the Ole Miss wake up call...But the rest of those are totally fair, Georgia has a history of choking away opportunities, it's in their DNA or something.

Not on paper, you weren't. On the field, yes. And that's always the story with Georgia. They always look good, sometimes really really good, on paper.

On paper, that 2008 Georgia team could absolutely go toe to toe with Florida. Preseason #1 in the country. They had Matthew Stafford, Knowshon Moreno, and A.J. Green for crying out loud. Both the offensive line and defense were loaded with future NFLers. Florida was not 39 points better than Georgia that year. A lot of people will respond "...but Florida had Tebow" to excuse that Georgia loss, as if Georgia had a bunch of scrubs or something. Georgia was loaded that year.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

Not on paper, you weren't. On the field, yes. And that's always the story with Georgia. They always look good, sometimes really really good, on paper.

On paper, that 2008 Georgia team could absolutely go toe to toe with Florida. Preseason #1 in the country. They had Matthew Stafford, Knowshon Moreno, and A.J. Green for crying out loud. Both the offensive line and defense were loaded with future NFLers. Florida was not 39 points better than Georgia that year. A lot of people will respond "...but Florida had Tebow" to excuse that Georgia loss, as if Georgia had a bunch of scrubs or something. Georgia was loaded that year.

We had Percy Harvin, three future NFL OL starters and an entire secondary that at some point started...or still currently starts...in the NFL.

Our #5 receiver was Deonte Thompson (who?) and he wound up playing 10 years in the pros.

Tebow gets the glory for that 2008 NC, but he had push button talent all around him...talent that was comparable to UGA at just about every position.

 

[05_never_again]

We had Percy Harvin, three future NFL OL starters and an entire secondary that at some point started...or still currently starts...in the NFL.

Our #5 receiver was Deonte Thompson (who?) and he wound up playing 10 years in the pros.

Tebow gets the glory for that 2008 NC, but he had push button talent all around him...talent that was comparable to UGA at jut about every position.

Exactly, Georgia should have been able to go toe to toe with you, but they lost by 39. Plus lost 2 other games that year. That game was just classic Richt/Georgia and a big reason why they have the reputations they do.

A lot of Georgia people excused that loss at the time (and even still today) by saying they weren't as talented as Florida, and mention Tebow in particular, but that simply wasn't the case. That should have been a hell of a game with the difference in the game being a stereotypical "they just made one more play than we did" type of thing, but the Dawgs were totally run out of the stadium. They also were run out of their own stadium by Alabama that year, and they arguably did have more talent than they did, especially at the skill positions.

 

[VAVol85]

If Saban went to Georgia instead of Alabama in 2007, he might have won 6 or 7 national titles there. If any program in the country has the perfect "template" for creating a juggernaut, it's Georgia. Everything, I mean absolutely everything, is set up perfectly for them to be an incredibly dominant program. They just have to go take it, which they aren't able to do for some reason.

Since 1980, Georgia should have at least 3 or 4 titles. You can make an argument for many more, but that's being conservative. Dooley could/should have had 2 more in 1981 and 1982, and Richt could have had at least 2. Pick your year...2002, 2007, 2008, 2012.

Georgia has a lot of in-state talent for sure. I think it shows the importance of coaching in college football. Richt is a good coach but except for one or two years there were always SEC coaches (Saban and Meyer) who were better.

I don’t know what to make of Smart. Part of me wants to say he was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple but 2017 was pretty impressive and he can recruit. After next year, we should have a better idea about him.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

Lots of whining puppies on Finebaum today.

 

[05_never_again]

Georgia has a lot of in-state talent for sure. I think it shows the importance of coaching in college football. Richt is a good coach but except for one or two years there were always SEC coaches (Saban and Meyer) who were better.

I don’t know what to make of Smart. Part of me wants to say he was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple but 2017 was pretty impressive and he can recruit. After next year, we should have a better idea about him.

One comment Kirby made this year that I think was very telling was a line about the South Carolina game about how Georgia didn't force enough turnovers to even up the turnover margin. Georgia's defense allowed 20 points in a double-overtime game, and their HC's first thought after the game was that the defense should have forced more turnovers, because their offense gave up the ball 4 times. That is classic "defensive coordinator, not a head coach" thinking. I mean, Kirby...your D allowed 20 points and your offense scored 17 and turned the ball over 4 times. It isn't hard to figure out why you lost that game...it wasn't because of your defense, and it wasn't because your defense failed to generate any turnovers.

Totally agree with the bolded - which also runs contrary to the popular narrative about CFB (and college sports in general) which is that coaching doesn't really matter, recruiting does. Recruiting matters, but good tactical coaching and talent development is the difference between Alabama from 2007-present and Georgia from 2007-present. It's the difference from Clemson 2008-14 and Clemson 2015-present. It isn't solely about acquiring talent.

Until further notice, Kirby is absolutely on the "great recruiter, OK head coach" list given his teams' performances the last 2 years. Their offense was simply not at a championship-level this year. It reminds me a lot of Clemson under Dabo from 2011-14, before he started playing for titles every year.

If Kirby is to ever "get there," it might boil down to the coaching staffs he puts together and how effective of a delegator he can be. That was the difference for Dabo and Coach O - they hired legit OCs/DCs and focused on what they're good at, which is recruiting and motivating.