What makes y'all think that Harrison Bailey

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PEPPERJAX said:
Well we are 7-5 in 2019 compared to 5-7 last year with JG under center leading UT to victories down the stretch to the same teams we lost to in 2018 except for UK. A 2-game improvement in wins is a least something positive right? I am not sure what are record will be next year or JG’s stats, but you would think he would get better under a proven OC like Chaney correct? Wins and losses are all that matter in the end.
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Right, but that's not all on JG, just like our offensive struggles last year weren't all on JG; myriad of factors that contribute including the schedule, and the state of the teams' rosters when we've played them etct etc etc...

But as to his personal performance, he had some improved moments in the back half of the schedule, but there's little to suggest any sort of monumental improvement in his play between 2018-2019, and nothing to suggest that another off-season with Chaney will produce that improvement either; as a QB, for the most part he is what he is at this point.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
Once again, instead of calling it silly I've yet to see you put up a case for who and why will have the better room. Not liking JG is not a reason for thinking that we won't have the best group in spring. I've even told you the schools that I feel have a QB room similar to ours, you've not given anything to this thread other than to crap on the guy that posted it.
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I’m going to focus on recruiting. Debating you is like debating a 6 year old.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
This has nothing to do with decision making, it has to do with the fact that everytime he throws the other team has a chance to intercept the ball not because he made a bad decision but because he threw a ball the other team had a chance to catch 16% of the time. He also leads the SEC in contested balls that the defense touched before the offense touched and that stat would show both bad decision making if the receivers are covered and bad accuracy if they aren't covered. The league average is under 7%, he's nowhere close to that. I'm done with you as this is the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard someone make, actually calling it a positive is unrealistic I feel. Good luck convincing people on that one.
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I’m not going to keep going back and forth with the 2 of you. You guys have accuracy and decision making intertwined/confused with each other and the fact that you both are extremely stubborn and closed minded makes it near impossible to explain the difference so I’ll try one more time and I’m done.

I’ve worked with qbs of all ages since 2007. Accuracy and decision making are 2 totally different training methods.

Accuracy is concentrated on trajectory, touch, ball placement and “contested” pass attempts (in other words, throwing a rec open). An accurate pass hits its mark regardless of outcome (comp/int/broken up/tipped ext). It’s all about where the ball FINISHES in relation to ITS TARGET. Not a defender getting in the way or otherwise. Perfect examples of this are Maurers first int vs Florida. The ball hit DWA in stride but the defender arrived at the same time. It bounced off his chest and was intercepted by another defender. The fact that it was intercepted doesn’t make the pass itself any less accurate. On the other hand JGs passes do tend to often be behind/ low/high but within the receivers catch radius. Trajectory and touch also seem to be missing at times(bullet passes to a swing route). That’s why Maurer is the most accurate of all the qbs. It’s where his passes finish in comparison to the others.

Decision making is concentrated on tying your eyes to your front foot with an imaginary string. One goes without the other and it pulls. This is progression based and the next step after accuracy training. Your mental clock tells you when to reset. You have an average of 3 seconds. So......snap - 1 Mississippi (left)reset, 2 Mississippi (middle)reset, 3 Mississippi (right). Within his progression above he should find/choose a target. Then throw WITH ACCURACY and his body already in firing position.

I really hope you see the difference now because I’m tired of arguing it. Accuracy is the ABILTY to hit a target where decision making is his CHOICE of target. What you 2 are referring to is decision making..... not accuracy.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Right, but that's not all on JG, just like our offensive struggles last year weren't all on JG; myriad of factors that contribute including the schedule, and the state of the teams' rosters when we've played them etct etc etc...

But as to his personal performance, he had some improved moments in the back half of the schedule, but there's little to suggest any sort of monumental improvement in his play between 2018-2019, and nothing to suggest that another off-season with Chaney will produce that improvement either; as a QB, for the most part he is what he is at this point.
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I don't think any realistic fan who has watched JG play during his time at UT expects monumental improvement (as you put it) such as a heisman like year or 40 TDS along with 4000 passing yards. However, I do think it a fair expectation if he is the starter next year, to see around 22 to 25 TDs and 2500 plus passing yards.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
You can watch Bailey play live in the state semifinals at this link, he's thrown for 3 TDs and caught 1 in the 1st half. He's a big kid

Class AAAAAAA Semifinals Game 01
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Lol, you and I are independently posting the same things. Bailey looks very comfortable and confident out there. Did you notice the end zones have an orange checkerboard?
 
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Arrested Devolopment said:
Lol, you and I are independently posting the same things. Bailey looks very comfortable and confident out there. Did you notice the end zones have an orange checkerboard?
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Yeah, that's a sweet stadium! He seemingly makes good decisions and throws the ball all over the field and to multiple guys. He's calm under pressure too. Bailey reminds me a bit of Roethlisberger. He's going to be hard to keep on the bench.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
Bailey reminds me a bit of Roethlisberger.
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That's a good comparison - very calm. He ran a screen play where 3 defenders were right in his grill and he put the ball right over their heads into the hands of the receiver, and kept backing up to avoid the hit. He's listed as 6'4", 220 but he looks taller than that.
 
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My view is we are fine at QB, there's talent and experience, and we aren't losing anything per se. I'm more worried about filling the loss of production from the WR/slot positions. On the same level is also the emergence of a respectable running game. The Vandy game showed some potential in there, but we will need to bring something more credible against the teams that we've had a hard time beating.

I'm hoping it's somewhat a function of being in a new system for a season. But overall the offense needs to be able to score in the high 20s, or 30s natively. That is without the need for the defense to block a punt or generate turnovers. It's what it seems to take if you want to play with the bigger programs inside and outside of the conference.

Oh, and stop the friggin false starts........looking at you Pope.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Right, but that's not all on JG, just like our offensive struggles last year weren't all on JG; myriad of factors that contribute including the schedule, and the state of the teams' rosters when we've played them etct etc etc...

But as to his personal performance, he had some improved moments in the back half of the schedule, but there's little to suggest any sort of monumental improvement in his play between 2018-2019, and nothing to suggest that another off-season with Chaney will produce that improvement either; as a QB, for the most part he is what he is at this point.
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Maybe, but I doubt you'll see those numbers with the attrition that we are going to experience at wide receiver.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
If JG had even played average against BYU then we would not be in the position where BYU could have won the game at the end. Also the idiotic call you stated was a defensive lapse by one player not a dumb play call.
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Ha, every talk show after that game mentioned the play call on that play, where they were trying to disguise their coverage. That's a coach's decision, not one player missing an assignment. You don't disguise anything on 3rd and forever. You play everyone deep and keep everything in front of you. They didn't. They lined up in the set that the DC called. Really think JG was the reason? How about the fact that BYU had zero answer for our stretch run calls, and we went away from them. That's on the staff too. Did he play great? Not at all. But he's not the primary reason we lost that game or GA ST.
 
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chef3531 said:
Ha, every talk show after that game mentioned the play call on that play, where they were trying to disguise their coverage. That's a coach's decision, not one player missing an assignment. You don't disguise anything on 3rd and forever. You play everyone deep and keep everything in front of you. They didn't. They lined up in the set that the DC called. Really think JG was the reason? How about the fact that BYU had zero answer for our stretch run calls, and we went away from them. That's on the staff too. Did he play great? Not at all. But he's not the primary reason we lost that game or GA ST.
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If Taylor does not allow the Wr to get behind we win the game. It was blown coverage and my analysis is correct.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
I don't think any realistic fan who has watched JG play during his time at UT expects monumental improvement (as you put it) such as a heisman like year or 40 TDS along with 4000 passing yards. However, I do think it a fair expectation if he is the starter next year, to see around 22 to 25 TDs and 2500 plus passing yards.
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Cut the stats by 50% and you have the numbers JG will likely end up with if he is the starter.
 
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1vol8 said:
I’m not going to keep going back and forth with the 2 of you. You guys have accuracy and decision making intertwined/confused with each other and the fact that you both are extremely stubborn and closed minded makes it near impossible to explain the difference so I’ll try one more time and I’m done.

I’ve worked with qbs of all ages since 2007. Accuracy and decision making are 2 totally different training methods.

Accuracy is concentrated on trajectory, touch, ball placement and “contested” pass attempts (in other words, throwing a rec open). An accurate pass hits its mark regardless of outcome (comp/int/broken up/tipped ext). It’s all about where the ball FINISHES in relation to ITS TARGET. Not a defender getting in the way or otherwise. Perfect examples of this are Maurers first int vs Florida. The ball hit DWA in stride but the defender arrived at the same time. It bounced off his chest and was intercepted by another defender. The fact that it was intercepted doesn’t make the pass itself any less accurate. On the other hand JGs passes do tend to often be behind/ low/high but within the receivers catch radius. Trajectory and touch also seem to be missing at times(bullet passes to a swing route). That’s why Maurer is the most accurate of all the qbs. It’s where his passes finish in comparison to the others.

Decision making is concentrated on tying your eyes to your front foot with an imaginary string. One goes without the other and it pulls. This is progression based and the next step after accuracy training. Your mental clock tells you when to reset. You have an average of 3 seconds. So......snap - 1 Mississippi (left)reset, 2 Mississippi (middle)reset, 3 Mississippi (right). Within his progression above he should find/choose a target. Then throw WITH ACCURACY and his body already in firing position.

I really hope you see the difference now because I’m tired of arguing it. Accuracy is the ABILTY to hit a target where decision making is his CHOICE of target. What you 2 are referring to is decision making..... not accuracy.
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Secstatcat

Maurer is third from the bottom in throwing accurate passes regardless of pass outcome.

Only 45.83% of his passes were accurate.

He also had the third worst completion percentage of qualifying qbs.

Second worst adjusted completion percentage.

Highest interception percentage.

Fifth highest uncatchable percentage.

He was not accurate this year. He was just a freshman so no big deal. It is a fact he was one the of the least accurate SEC qbs.
 
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1vol8 said:
I’m not going to keep going back and forth with the 2 of you. You guys have accuracy and decision making intertwined/confused with each other and the fact that you both are extremely stubborn and closed minded makes it near impossible to explain the difference so I’ll try one more time and I’m done.

I’ve worked with qbs of all ages since 2007. Accuracy and decision making are 2 totally different training methods.

Accuracy is concentrated on trajectory, touch, ball placement and “contested” pass attempts (in other words, throwing a rec open). An accurate pass hits its mark regardless of outcome (comp/int/broken up/tipped ext). It’s all about where the ball FINISHES in relation to ITS TARGET. Not a defender getting in the way or otherwise. Perfect examples of this are Maurers first int vs Florida. The ball hit DWA in stride but the defender arrived at the same time. It bounced off his chest and was intercepted by another defender. The fact that it was intercepted doesn’t make the pass itself any less accurate. On the other hand JGs passes do tend to often be behind/ low/high but within the receivers catch radius. Trajectory and touch also seem to be missing at times(bullet passes to a swing route). That’s why Maurer is the most accurate of all the qbs. It’s where his passes finish in comparison to the others.

Decision making is concentrated on tying your eyes to your front foot with an imaginary string. One goes without the other and it pulls. This is progression based and the next step after accuracy training. Your mental clock tells you when to reset. You have an average of 3 seconds. So......snap - 1 Mississippi (left)reset, 2 Mississippi (middle)reset, 3 Mississippi (right). Within his progression above he should find/choose a target. Then throw WITH ACCURACY and his body already in firing position.

I really hope you see the difference now because I’m tired of arguing it. Accuracy is the ABILTY to hit a target where decision making is his CHOICE of target. What you 2 are referring to is decision making..... not accuracy.
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What i dont understand is these guys are toting Bailey as the next great QB. Thats awsome. Watch the videos posted here. And watch how his WR dont break stride on his passes. Then watch JG throw the deep ball. With the high arc its a 50/50 ball almost everytime. But yet they cant see the difference cuz stats tell them thier isnt one. I love our fanbase but sometimes Joe high school football star is really tough to handle!!!
 
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whodeycin85 said:
What i dont understand is these guys are toting Bailey as the next great QB. Thats awsome. Watch the videos posted here. And watch how his WR dont break stride on his passes. Then watch JG throw the deep ball. With the high arc its a 50/50 ball almost everytime. But yet they cant see the difference cuz stats tell them thier isnt one. I love our fanbase but sometimes Joe high school football star is really tough to handle!!!
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Indeed, Bailey makes life easier for the receivers, the receivers make life easier for JG. Next year, HB needs to be our QB if we want to challenge for the east.
 
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EconVol92 said:
I don't think JG is the answer, his lows are much lower than his highs are high.

While I will always say that football is a team game you can't tell me that JG was not responsible for the BYU loss and the possible upset of Alabama.

This team should have won 9 games this year and a win over Bama would have been a huge get for this coaching staff in recruiting.
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I don't know, I would say passing for 415 yards against one of the best passing defenses in the SEC was a pretty damn high, high. There's a reason JG was a highly rated recruit. He has the skill set necessary to be elite if he can just settle down between the ears.
 
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