Our QB room will be the best in the SEC

[1vol8]

Butchna clashes with everyone now and then. Like LV said, he is very steady and predictable in his responses. You always know where you stand with him.....and SJ also. LV and I but heads occasionally but I but heads with everyone.....

Doing it respectfully is what it’s all about. With Pulaski, K town and lexkyvol, they want to disrespect the kid, make up lies and cheat him out of his due. They can’t just admit he’s better than expected and for THAT I’ve lost respect. I’m just sorry everyone has to read it.

 

[82_VOL_83]

I’m not a “put it lightly” kind of guy so I apologize. And you’re right. He being named the starter would’ve helped in future games. He was clearly, at least to a few, the more effective qb coming out of the O&W game. Back then everyone’s argument was “it’s just a scrimmage” “he won’t do that vs the SEC”. UGA, MSU, Alabama all disagree now.

No apologies necessary AT ALL! I played through HS and not much at that. I have watched the game and particularly UT since the late 60's. I remember Bart Starr in the first Super Bowl (dimly). I enjoy listening to folks that have an opinion based in fact and not supposition or a secret agenda. Post on brother!

 

[rocytop2624]

This may be considered homerism, but I’ll take what’s in Gainesville over that group

Why do you take Volnation over A Gator site?

 

[k-town_king]

A little strong but well said. I think BM should have been named the starter after the O&W game. He would have beaten both GaSt and BYU IMO. However, with the injuries, the way it played out is probably for the best, we may have lost 2 of the last 6 we won with JG coming in after being benched on a more permanent basis. Next year is going to be interesting. I just hope we don't lose all of them. Possibility that both BM and JG (unlikely) transfer and we have no significant on field experience coming back.

Why should he have been the starter? Everyone who watched the spring said JG was much better. The same as the season played out. If BM could replace Bituli and qB the D those games we win. If he played qB on o we turn the ball over and just get blown out.

Yes! Between the 2 bad decisions that EVERYONE has admitted, he was, and I’ll say it louder, ABSOLUTELY DISSECTING MSU otherwise. You and your VERY little posse want people to lose sight of how well he actually played as a true freshman. He obviously played well enough to scare JG wouldn’t you say? You keep TRYING to convince people he was “bad”. Or is that lexkyvol? Hell..... I can’t remember because they all run together but he has been consistent every time he’s went out outside of 2 series vs KY. No one has ever said he didn’t make mistakes. But if I’m not mistaken, isn’t that the reason “musical qb” began? Because your boy was making the same mistakes, consistently?

So minus the 30% of his passes that game that got intercepted he was dissecting? I guess minus the 6 ints JG has been perfect then.

If we are just going to throw out 30% of passes in a game then JG has been absolutely perfect all year except for one game .

We needed a spark, not about mistakes. BM makes mistakes constantly. 150 less passes with one less int.

He hasn't been bad the whole time. Just most if the time. The first 16 minutes of GA were pretty good. Still only 50% but hit a wide open guy for a TD when they played out the run due tonight respecting his passing ability. Then a good TD throw . After that pretty bad.

I’m not a “put it lightly” kind of guy so I apologize. And you’re right. He being named the starter would’ve helped in future games. He was clearly, at least to a few, the more effective qb coming out of the O&W game. Back then everyone’s argument was “it’s just a scrimmage” “he won’t do that vs the SEC”. UGA, MSU, Alabama all disagree now.

Playing the guy the team and coaches know isn't as good and who has proven to be not as good hurts and not helps. How is that hard to understand? The coaches and players have repeatedly stated JG is better and the team thinks he should start. You know better than them?

Btw he wasn't good against those teams you named. How many turnovers to passing tds did he have again outside of that one quarter vs UGA?

 

[82_VOL_83]

Doing it respectfully is what it’s all about. With Pulaski, K town and lexkyvol, they want to disrespect the kid, make up lies and cheat him out of his due. They can’t just admit he’s better than expected and for THAT I’ve lost respect. I’m just sorry everyone has to read it.

Meh, PV takes some getting used to but he makes some good points and generally is fairly optimistic which is a relief in these discussions. He has been a JG fan but he is becoming a little more convinced that BM has some upside to him. The other two have an agenda as I have mentioned. It just isn't mentioned.

 

[1vol8]

Meh, PV takes some getting used to but he makes some good points and generally is fairly optimistic which is a relief in these discussions. He has been a JG fan but he is becoming a little more convinced that BM has some upside to him. The other two have an agenda as I have mentioned. It just isn't mentioned.

But PV is the worst of the bunch that make things up as if they are fact. Then he wonders why I attack him.

 

[k-town_king]

Doing it respectfully is what it’s all about. With Pulaski, K town and lexkyvol, they want to disrespect the kid, make up lies and cheat him out of his due. They can’t just admit he’s better than expected and for THAT I’ve lost respect. I’m just sorry everyone has to read it.

You hate facts.

I gave him his due. He has potential. He is a freshman. He isn't ready yet. No disrespect in telling the truth.

Being dishonest about their capabilities and play is disrespectful.

The coaches and team say JG is the better qb. The stats say it. He was ranked higher.

When will you be honest and say ok BM may one day be as good but he isnt ready yet?

Meh, PV takes some getting used to but he makes some good points and generally is fairly optimistic which is a relief in these discussions. He has been a JG fan but he is becoming a little more convinced that BM has some upside to him. The other two have an agenda as I have mentioned. It just isn't mentioned.

I would love to know what you are talking about.

I support the best for the team. My choice has better stats and the coach and team say he is the choice.

Anyone going against the data and the team is the one with an agenda. Unless Pruitt has the same agenda.He agrees with me. Jennings has an agenda too I guess. Our shared agenda is winning games with the best players on the field.

BM backers have an agenda. That's why half the JG haters say they never liked him or wanted him to be the qb. It's personal against him, not about winning.

 

[Vol737]

Why do you take Volnation over A Gator site?

They haven't figured out the interwebz in Florida yet. Lol. 99 is a good poster to be an interloper, though. He and LW are pretty good dudes.

 

[82_VOL_83]

You hate facts.

I gave him his due. He has potential. He is a freshman. He isn't ready yet. No disrespect in telling the truth.

Being dishonest about their capabilities and play is disrespectful.

The coaches and team say JG is the better qb. The stats say it. He was ranked higher.

When will you be honest and say ok BM may one day be as good but he isnt ready yet?



I would love to know what you are talking about.

I support the best for the team. My choice has better stats and the coach and team say he is the choice.

Anyone going against the data and the team is the one with an agenda. Unless Pruitt has the same agenda.He agrees with me. Jennings has an agenda too I guess. Our shared agenda is winning games with the best players on the field.

BM backers have an agenda. That's why half the JG haters say they never liked him or wanted him to be the qb. It's personal against him, not about winning.

This is your agenda. It's personal with you. JG has not done ONE SINGLE THING that would make anyone actually dislike JG the young man. The only incident is the sideline pout in the GT game. In your mind you have created a reason people don't like JG personally. I have followed your posting philosophy and I have a good idea what it is. Most others probably do also. The JG vs. BM debate isn't based in pure stats, it has to do with team chemistry. It didn't change for JG until nearly half way through this season, most notably after the Bama brain fart. You didn't hear JJ praising JG until he got his head straight and started playing like he needs to.....HALF WAY THOUGH THIS YEAR.

 

[RollerVol]

Hopefully the first to leave will be Guarantano.

would be funny but you're serious...just let the hate go...

GO BIG ORANGE!

 

[LittleVol]

I had you pegged as an offensive player. I miss sometimes too. Lol. Either way, it’s been a pleasure and hope it continues.

I love offense. But they inherently have an advantage in thr game of football. Now even more so because of the RPO and lack of physical play against WRs and targeting.

It's So difficult to be a defender these days.
But offense puts butts in stadiums.

 

[1vol8]

You hate facts.

I gave him his due. He has potential. He is a freshman. He isn't ready yet. No disrespect in telling the truth.

Being dishonest about their capabilities and play is disrespectful.

The coaches and team say JG is the better qb. The stats say it. He was ranked higher.

When will you be honest and say ok BM may one day be as good but he isnt ready yet?



I would love to know what you are talking about.

I support the best for the team. My choice has better stats and the coach and team say he is the choice.

Anyone going against the data and the team is the one with an agenda. Unless Pruitt has the same agenda.He agrees with me. Jennings has an agenda too I guess. Our shared agenda is winning games with the best players on the field.

BM backers have an agenda. That's why half the JG haters say they never liked him or wanted him to be the qb. It's personal against him, not about winning.

You clearly have no idea how this game works. Once a qb change has been made at any level how stupid would it sound if a coach or player said “we want the other guy”. Have you ever heard that before? I haven’t. Did you notice the narrative change when BM became the starter? I did. All of a sudden he wasn’t so “erratic” in practice reports. In fact the comment was made at one time that “BM was 1000 times more accurate than any other qb on the field” . Go figure. And for the record, I’ve said several times that he’s not ready. He needs time and loyalty from his coaches to become what he can be. But that doesn’t mean he isn’t the best qb in terms of talent and upside. Not playing him by choice is hurting UT in the future more than you give it credit for.

 

[cobbwebb0710]

#18 posted a black and white, in game pic of himself, with the words “thank you”, on Instagram earlier. Am I just being “one of those guys”, or is there anything out there about Maurer possibly transferring? God I’ve sunk to the level of turning simple, social media post’ by 18 yr olds, into some cryptic message needing to be deciphered...
GBO!!

 

[sjt18]

No disrespect but South Carolina has 5 prospects this year rated 4 star and above. They produce a ton of 3 stars but not much in blue chips.

You have to look at it proportionately.

The level of play, strength and conditioning and coaching have been the shortcomings in South Carolina high school football for decades.

Again untrue but you have a habit of riding hobby horses even after being proven wrong... so I'm not sure I'll bother this time since it would take more time than it is likely worth. If I find that time... I may work on it. IIRC, NC has about twice the population of SC. SC produces more and better players.

Look up their top 25 players of all time and you'll hardly recognize many of them.

I'm guessing you mean guys like Shannon and Sterling Sharp, Clowney, Alshon Jeffery, Da'Quon Bowers,.... and the rest of those "nobodies".

I disagree with you when you continue to say a certain player will never get it done. I'm old school,

Never is a "long time". I don't think I said "never". If I did then I misspoke in a way that I earnestly try to avoid. I believe I said that I did not think that JG could turn the corner. That was based off of HIS PLAY... not whatever blame you want to place on coaches. He has pushed me back in the other direction but I am still not convinced. A whole lot of the old JG came out in that Vandy game. Thankfully Vandy was so bad that even UT's run game could hurt them. And JG STILL hasn't led the Vols to more than 30 points against an FBS opponent. That's pretty incredible considering UT has played some bad teams with him at the helm.

As for Maurer, I've always said he had talent, he's athletic, he's got a good arm and I've even said he's got the FRAME to play the position, my knock on him, as most analysts I deal with was that he CURRENTLY lacked repetitions vs quality opponents and certainly not anything close to the speed of the SEC

Yet he looked good at times and extemely good in spurts. Experience was definitely an issue. He could have used a year of seasoning but it was JG's poor play that prevented that... not anything Maurer did wrong.

and that he currently lacked the size and strength to hold up to the pounding an SEC QB takes throughout the year.

And you keep "pounding" on this false narrative in spite of having zero proof for it. JG played at that size as a RS Fr. Manning was smaller when he became the starter. Ainge was 6'6" and only around 200 lbs as a Fr.

You harp on this and then say it was because he got injured when his injury has ZERO... NADA to do with his size or weight. I'm concerned he's susceptible to concussions. I hope he's not because there is nothing that 15 lbs or a year in the weight room can do to fix that.

Because of my positions, which is really not that different from yours if you really break it down, you have in the past called me an idiot, a liar and a coward. That is why I have a problem with you and not the positions you take on the Vol football team.

Nope. Not your positions. And I have not called you an idiot. I don't recall calling you a liar unless you really are k-town_king using two screen names. He (if you or not) does lie habitually.

I called you a coward because you evaded admitting it when you were wrong. It takes a degree of courage to simply say "I was wrong". Yet you wouldn't do it when you were obviously wrong. Example: you continuing to use Maurer's injury as proof that he was not physically prepared to play.

Freshmen generally aren't as big or strong as they will become later. But Maurer is NOT unusually small or underdeveloped when compared to Fr who have played and succeeded. Obviously you want him "bigger". Obviously you would have rather not thrown him into the fire. But it became necessary when JG floundered and JT obviously has a long way to go.

 

[sjt18]

You hate facts.

Oh.... the irony of this coming from you.

 

[DoyleMcOrange]

Doing it respectfully is what it’s all about. With Pulaski, K town and lexkyvol, they want to disrespect the kid, make up lies and cheat him out of his due. They can’t just admit he’s better than expected and for THAT I’ve lost respect. I’m just sorry everyone has to read it.

Yup.

 

[sjt18]

Maurer never looked anything beyond mediocre.

Maurer looked great at times and pretty bad at other times. Pretty much what you'd expect from a Fr.

 

[sjt18]

Hey thanks man .
To be mentioned with @sjt18 and @butchna is pretty cool.
I definitely respect their minds.

As far as Maurer, Pruitt really should have let him play earlier. As in GA State. He mishandled him horribly this year. Kid could never get into a comfort zone. Threw him out against the wolves and his psyche got shook, because had no real game experience yet. GA State, BYU and Chatt were prime opportunities to get acclimated.
Instead he was always forcing things and could never relax and play. JG get opportunities over and over and over, but Maurer was always walking on egg shells, and he made some very rookie mistakes and Pruitt was always looking to pull him.

Jarrett Gaurantano still can't be depended on. You never know what you're going to get with him. Its maddening...
Harrison Bailey if he comes here is going to bring a lot of pressure. Its not the situation I predicted. Kudos to Maurer for being an awesome teammate tho. JG as well.

It could play out a lot of ways.
Will the QB room remain selfless and supportive?
Or will an Alpha emerge?

Thanks for the compliment.

My thoughts on Maurer and Pruitt are that Pruitt did the best he could with the hand he was dealt. We can pick him apart in retrospect but hopefully he's learned and has a good plan going forward for that group.

The sum total of what went wrong though is on JG. They invested a tremendous amount of time and effort in building his skill and confidence since January... then he came out a played poorly to start the season. I'm sure the plan was to RS Maurer and let Shrout hand the ball off in trash time. But then the improvements the coaches thought they had seen all off-season just didn't materialize on the field. Their second best option was to pull Maurer's RS.... then he got hurt.

I don't think there's any irreparable damage to anyone. Maurer's confidence needs a little rebuilding and he needs more development and experience. I personally feel better about JG. He did a lot of the things I've criticized well vs USCe, UK, and Mizzou. But then the old JG showed up for Vandy.

Maybe JG's grandmother's death distracted him. People react differently but my son pitched the best game of his life the afternoon after my father died in our home around 2 AM. Years ago while experiencing one of the worst emotional periods of my life... I had a 4.0 gpa with 21 hours. Tragedy can just as easily help as hurt your focus.

I HOPE the rain wasn't the reason JG played poorly. If he gets a shot at the next level... they play in rain and snow and expect guys to perform. UT cannot chalk up a loss any time the ball gets wet. Vandy's QB's had a better completion % with several drops.

 

[whodeycin85]

@k-town_king if you have no agenda other then being a fluffer for JG. And stats mean everything. why is Jordan Love with worse stats and a lower conference thought of as a better QB the JG???

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

You don't think it will take HB awhile to overtake Maurer and Hill?

I personally think HB will be the best QB on campus the day he gets there, I think he's got that type talent. He could also get here and be a big flop. We've got to have steady QB play next year as we will have a ? at WR and TE i feel. Our OL will be good, JG is pretty good when he has time to throw so as of today, which is basically spring, with his knowledge of the playbook I think Pruitt probably feels safer and trust JG over everyone else. Depending on when or if HB understands the playbook, what's his presence like in the locker room and when does Pruitt start trusting him enough will factor in on how early he plays if he's as good as I think. He's not coming here to RS, he's been committed for over a year and I'm assuming he's had multiple offers from multiple schools to come in and play early. The top guys pretty much demand early playing time, the 3 star guys just want a shot to prove they are every bit as worthy. I'm not discounting BM either as he seems like a fighter (something Pruitt really likes in a player) without much quit, if he comes in bigger, stronger and a bit more polished he'll compete for snaps. If JG declares (even I think that's a bad move) I believe HB starts day 1 with Maurer playing early, especially should HB struggle. I think our best chance to win game 1 next year will be with JG at QB.
jmo

 

[sjt18]

@k-town_king if you have no agenda other then being a fluffer for JG. And stats mean everything. why is Jordan Love with worse stats and a lower conference thought of as a better QB the JG???

Stats don't mean everything to him. Only stats that support his cult worship of JG mean everything.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

@k-town_king if you have no agenda other then being a fluffer for JG. And stats mean everything. why is Jordan Love with worse stats and a lower conference thought of as a better QB the JG???

Who is Jordan Love?

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

Meh, PV takes some getting used to but he makes some good points and generally is fairly optimistic which is a relief in these discussions. He has been a JG fan but he is becoming a little more convinced that BM has some upside to him. The other two have an agenda as I have mentioned. It just isn't mentioned.

Thanks 82, I admit I'm not easy to take, but I do try to be more positive as I get older.

 

[Lloyd_Christmas]

I HOPE the rain wasn't the reason JG played poorly. If he gets a shot at the next level... they play in rain and snow and expect guys to perform. UT cannot chalk up a loss any time the ball gets wet. Vandy's QB's had a better completion % with several drops.

I think he just had a bad start to the game...for whatever reason. It also looked like the receivers weren't getting much separation (Vandy DBs were grabbing jerseys and holding on) and the o-line was even allowing pressure on JG. The entire offense looked off. Thank goodness for Gray and the o-line showing up in the run game. After the 0/7 start, JG went 6/10 the rest of the way and looked closer to what we had seen the previous three games. I think by the time he settled in and played better, there just wasn't a good reason to throw the ball in the rain unless they absolutely had to.

I'm encouraged by his play and look forward to seeing if he continues to progress. I think being under Chaney for a second year will be big. Ultimately, I think he either takes a big step forward with his consistency and confidence over the Spring or gets passed by Maurer or Bailey. I don't see the coaches going with him if he continues to be inconsistent and they have two very talented and confident young guys wanting to play.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

Lol you're really special, you just spent half the thread arguing none of the QBs are leaving and then you get your feelings hurt so now you're saying Maurer is for sure leaving lol.

You know why no one likes you? Its because you simply can't have a conversation, you immediately get defensive and turn it into a debate. Got some insecurities there little man?

You claim this guy is a handler but you're literally taking families money to place kids in D3 colleges when all the time they could do that on their own. The world of recruiting at that level isn't rocket science and I know because Ive coached at that level.

Please continue with your self proclaimed accolades little man. I'm almost willing to bet you coach a JV sport somewhere and you're probably the head of some type of booster club and you do these things to make yourself feel important.

You'd lose that bet big fellow and I don't "place" kids anywhere as I've got zero say in who or why a kid gets an offer, you as an ex coach should know that's exactly how it works, and furthermore if you coached anywhere in the southeast at a lower level it's likely that one of our kids played there or against you. You must be a big fella, I don't get called little man very often I also thought forums were for debate, I'm guessing that coaching job wasn't you coaching the debate team. Hope you have a great day big guy!